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well.. here is a post by one of my operator friends from holland.. has been posted in another forum.. print and email to respective persons to show them what is the meaning of broadband.... we have to fight to get our dues.. Pupudada!if required i can give the link of the site too.. but it is in dutch ;)===============Hey folks,First let me introduce myself, I am Dennis ( known as DJDennis ) I came here because of my friend, called pupudada, some of you will know him.let's start..Broadband Rates in The Netherlands..We are getting new pipes there, fiber lines, some are operative allready;1 : 5mbps down/up stream2 : 10mbps down/up stream3 : 20mbps down/up stream4 : 50mbps down/up stream5 : 100mbps down/up streamWell those speeds is all we want to see, the best part is the price!1 : €18,44 = +/- $232 : €25,44 = +/- $323 : €35,44 = +/- $454 : €55,44 = +/- $725 : €105,44 = +/- $135This aren't bad prices if u look at the prices in a Webcenter.. for 2mbps upload €250, you can better put your own webserver at home than, for 224,56 euro's less u got 10 times as much bandwidth! So, you see, a whole new generation of internet- speed is coming our way!Have fun watching this post LaughingGreetings Dennis=================
 
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A 5 mbps connection for just $25. Real good . If that plan was avalable here every one would have jumped to itBtw pupudada u understand dutch too ..?
 
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Dada, can you friend arrange for a few visas for the members of this forrum? :D :lol: :D
 
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Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 08:56 PM
A 5 mbps connection for just $25. Real good . If that plan was avalable here every one would have jumped to it

Btw pupudada u understand dutch too ..?
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nope i do not understand dutch, but being an operator of the emule forum has helped me to get friends from mostly all language speaking countries... i'm getting more data and email them to the lumpheads in here and try to see if i can convince the newspapers to carry the story... need co-operation from you all.. remember bsnl has got 70,000 odd subscribers, whereas this forum has just 1,000 odd... we need mass cocerage via papers etc... Pupudada!

breaking news: hongkong 10mbps adsl.. unlimited.. $15 per month

can give url's to these isp's if challenged or requested to by the newspapers
 
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Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 09:05 PM
Dada, can you friend arrange for a few visas for the members of this forrum?

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for those using emule visit the irc room.. others who have got access to irc (mIRC or whatever) configure your irc client for the following network...

irc.mindforge.org

when connected type /join #emule-english

you'll be logged in as minduserxxxx-yyyy just send me a notice and i'll help you to set up your config there

to send me a notice in there type /notice pupudada (your text)
(my alternative nicks are pupu or Helga or ^Druid^)


i'll be there from 9.30 onwards... we can make a separate room and talk... ;) Pupudada!

we need to hold hands to get these idiots realize that we are not fools... i'm already in talks with some foreign newspaper correspondents and others... let's see
 


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Hmm...just how big is the netherlands anyway. Would it even fit into the state of Punjab. Well shit if India was that big i'm sure we would have those same prices..who knows maybe better.Getting tired of pointing out this little geographical fact.I checked with a friend and you can't get those prices even in NYC, let alone elsewhere in the US. It seems it's symmetric DSL...shit...
 
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how does SDSL or ADSL matter if your downloads are not getting effectd??? :D
 
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Holland is only of the countries to enjoy good internet service. But many countries have better internet service than holland.

Here is an earlier post of mine. https://broadbandforum.co/index.php?showtop...6440&#entry6440

Go through this forum- https://www.dslreports.com/forum/fiberoptics. Check the fiberoptic speed test thread(beginning of that forum).

Japan now has 100mbit fiber for 30-40 $. Korea- 30mbit+ vdsl, us- 3-10mbit dsl, canada- 6-10mbit, sweden(20mbit average, 26mbit many places, 100mbit -at request), france- 8mbit(600-800 rs/month), china 768k-10mbit(southern cities). In the us, the bells are rolling out fttp(fiber to the premises) and the speed is 20mbit average. Hong kong provides 100mbit(internal) and 20mbit international bandwidth. If you have any doubts, just search "hk 100mbit" or "sweden 26mbit" etc. And the prices of bandwidth in these countries does not go above 40-50 $ average and 100$ max. The only country in Europe that is still getting shafted for bandwidth is portugal. Even australia now has 8mbit.

Ok, now for some links. I posted this on a journal for some friends a 8-9 months back.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/communicat...39154865,00.htm.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/29/135236&tid=95/

A journal about broadband in sk. http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/2004/06/index.html/) From that blog, I came across this- http://times.hankooki.com/tech/e_biz.htm/. 25 articles on broadband from the korean times. Even though they're 2 years old, they make for some very interesting reading.

One of the korean isp's- Hanaro telecom is offering 30mbit and 50mbit vDSL for upto 49 $ a month ( http://www.hanaro.com/eng/iproduct/vne_vdream.asp) http://www.chiefexecutive.net/depts/technology/197a.htm

If you aren't a regular visitor to dslreports.com, then start going there regularly. Go through this forum- https://www.dslreports.com/forum/fiberoptics. Check the fiberoptic speed test thread(beginning of that forum). B-flets in japan is now offering 1 gigabit for 70 $ and hk telecom is also planning 1gbit by june. Kansai optic is planning 1gbit fiber by sep,oct 05.( http://www.k-opti.com/press/2005/press09-2.html ). and so on.. Holland doesn't even come close to offering a low price/mb advantage. That advantage belongs to japan.

I got this link from http://broadbandblog.in/278/tortoise-wins-the-race/ 3 days back. It links to nytimes which inturn links to a foreignaffairs.org article with comparision of us and japanese broadband.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050501faes...o-the-wire.html. Its a long article but details how japan got its broadband strategy right eventhough dialup in japan was costlier than dialup in india until 2000.

From the article(page 2)

"Meeting the e-Japan strategy's second goal -- making ultra-high-speed access (up to 100 megabits per second) available to ten million Japanese households -- proved more difficult. Such connections permit real-time video telephoning and video conferencing, telecommuting, and rich multimedia options such as digital high-definition television, interactive games, and five-minute movie downloads (instead of the short, jerky video streaming that Americans are used to). But data cannot be transmitted at such speeds through existing phone lines, and new fiber-optic cable had to be laid throughout Japan. Having decided that those lines, too, should be open to competition, the Japanese authorities set out to devise significant incentives to persuade Japanese companies to invest in new ultra-high-speed cable, especially in rural areas.

The government used tax breaks, debt guaranties, and partial subsidies. It allowed companies willing to lay fiber to depreciate about one-third of the cost on first-year taxes, and it guaranteed their debt liabilities. These measures were sufficient to ensure that new fiber was laid in cities and large towns, but in rural areas, municipal subsidies were also needed. Towns and villages willing to set up their own ultra-high-speed fiber networks received a government subsidy covering approximately one-third of their costs, so long as those networks, too, were open to outside access.

These incentives created the right environment for the rapid deployment of fiber networks. Again, other companies decided to compete with regional telephone companies. The first, Usen, a nationwide distributor of background music with its own fiber network, was later joined by electric power companies. The resulting competition quickly drove the price of an ultrafast fiber connection down to $30 to $45 per month.

By the end of 2002, ultrafast fiber connections were available to more than ten million households in Tokyo and Osaka; a primary goal of the e-Japan strategy had been met. But the program -- and the government's tax incentives - had also called for fiber lines to run directly to homes and offices, and those connections proved economic only in densely populated cities. In less settled areas, the government agreed to provide tax incentives for fiber taken only as far as neighborhoods, leaving it to individual users to decide how to connect. Some have chosen -- and paid for -- a direct fiber connection; others have opted for a cheaper but slower wireless connection. By mid-2004, ultra-high-speed broadband was available to more than 80 percent of Japan's citizens. With more than two million subscribers, it can be said to have gone mainstream."
 
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well we all know the broadband prices are dirt cheap the world aroundbut we can't do anything except just bitch abt itindia ka kuch nahin ho saktayahaan ke babu ko yeh internet shinternet nahi aataand it would take another 50 years for it change around here
 
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Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 10:45 PM
how does SDSL or ADSL matter if your downloads are not getting effectd??? :D
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SDSL means you have equivalent amount of bw to upload. It's generally more expensive than ADSL (in the US). Telcos prefer ppl consume/downlaod rather than upload. It's usually the commerical sites that can afford SDSL and ADSL for the rest of the little people.

Bugatti-

i have a friend in oz that pays $150 AU for a 512/512 line (in Adelaide)and gets shaped after he crosses 30GBs/month. Yay Telstra. That's pricey if you ask me and he sure as hell is looking for the best options out there. So not sure what to hink about 8mbit.

UK does not have great bandwidth last i heard, its possible things have improved but never underestimate BT to cock things up.

It's early days for FTTP in the US, lets see how it turns out. I'm aware on the east coast Verizon is aggresively doing it. They also have wierd plans on servers etc. According to the server means biz account not home. Yah they are giving u lots of bw, lets see how much they let u upload eh !

I agree other countries you mention have it sweet.
 
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lol...i know that bud about ADSL and SDSL...and yes, in MTNL they give us SDSL ;) and yes, u may not beleive it, but when i use torrents in BitComet, my uploads have reached till 65 kBps...though when i was monitoring it...i don't monitor the whole time, u know :rolleyes:
 
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blr_p: go to whirlpool.net.au , its got all the news about broadband in australia.
iinet users get 12mbit/1mbit dsl and internode users get 25mbit/1mbit although bandwidth is limited. http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp.cfm?id=15&s=2 and http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp.cfm?id=9&s=6 . There are more plans and isp's to look through.

Telstra in Australia is like the BT of UK. They will not change unless forced to.

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/...msfor8Mbits.htm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/19/bt_broadband/

Verizon, Comcast, Bell and smaller local companies are pushing fiber in urban areas. Just go through the posts stating.. fiber in so and so? over here- https://www.dslreports.com/forum/fiberoptics
 
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Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 09:05 PM
Dada, can you friend arrange for a few visas for the members of this forrum?

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I can manage my own Visa, so id prefer if I get the tickets.
 
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The grass is always greener on the other side.I have never disputed this.