CAS coming to more cities including Gurgaon and Noida

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CAS coming to more cities including Gurgaon and Noida
Consumers in the metro cities are still facing issues with the recently introduced CAS mechanism for cable television. It seems like the government is unconcerned with these issues and are planning to expand this coverage to other cities in the country.
Some of the cities where CAS would [...]

http://broadbandforum.co/613/cas...to-more-cities/
 
So Sushubh will ahve to go for DTH or CAS NOW!
 
A firm decision as Dasmunshi said is expected by the first week of february. CAS is a must and the sooner this happens the better. But it has to be done in a systematic way ensuring that CAS implementation in the first phase is atleast 80%. Imo a time period of 2 months is a must before implementation of CAS begins in the next phase.
 
QUOTE(Sushubh @ Jan 18 2007, 11:30 PM) [snapback]75934[/snapback]
i had rather wait for airtel iptv.[/b]

When do you you know when that will come out with enough good channels? Maybe in a year? What will you do till then?
 


i just need star world actually.if i dont get a good deal from my cable guy for CAS. i would rather go without tv for a couple of months. not a big deal.
 
I'm pretty much holding out for Airtel's IPTV (or something else) to come along too. TV is recreation for me, and I would consider it a personal tragedy if I couldn't deal without for a couple of months.I'm not sure why people like maahkaal has such a soft spot for CAS as is clear in various threads. I do think that things like EPG and better quality picture is a step in the right direction, but as things have turned out it's been pretty disappointing. The only demographic of people it has helped is middle-class 1-TV households. For poorer people (e.g. servants) who would get cable at concessional rates from cablewallahs (because I think they got a poor signal, but viewbale nevertheless) now they are screwed. From Rs. 100 they will have to pay Rs. 250+. And for people like me who have 3 TVs in their house, my cable bill jumps from Rs. 300 a month to Rs. 1,000 without a proportionate increase in quality or service. DTH in that sense is much cheaper, except for the fact that you have to buy the STBs and can't rent them. And all the talk about "DVD quality picture and CD qaulity audio" and "up-to-date EPG" and other 'cool' services are all glib.Anyway what I really wanted to say is that why the hell is this thread in "Broadband in India" and not "Conditional Access System"?!?!?
 
QUOTE(vebmetal @ Jan 20 2007, 01:53 AM) [snapback]76108[/snapback]
I'm pretty much holding out for Airtel's IPTV (or something else) to come along too. TV is recreation for me, and I would consider it a personal tragedy if I couldn't deal without for a couple of months.

I'm not sure why people like maahkaal has such a soft spot for CAS as is clear in various threads. I do think that things like EPG and better quality picture is a step in the right direction, but as things have turned out it's been pretty disappointing. The only demographic of people it has helped is middle-class 1-TV households. For poorer people (e.g. servants) who would get cable at concessional rates from cablewallahs (because I think they got a poor signal, but viewable nevertheless) now they are screwed. From Rs. 100 they will have to pay Rs. 250+. And for people like me who have 3 TVs in their house, my cable bill jumps from Rs. 300 a month to Rs. 1,000 without a proportionate increase in quality or service. DTH in that sense is much cheaper, except for the fact that you have to buy the STBs and can't rent them. And all the talk about "DVD quality picture and CD qaulity audio" and "up-to-date EPG" and other 'cool' services are all glib.[/b]
Soft spot for CAS ? I have never said that i'm going for CAS or that CAS is the best option. What i support is conditional access and that includes CAS , DTH and IPTV. It's funny that you complain about your cable bill jumping to 1000 Rs in CAS regime but fail to see that it would be a similar case with IPTV. As for CAS benefiting only middle class households and poorer people being screwed with the price rise , all i can say is that's a load of bollox. It's so typical of us indians to first complain about the lack of quality and then when it does arrive , moan about the prices which are justified.

It's sad to see that a new system is being termed as stupid without it being given a chance to prove itself.
 
A number of things:

[*] What you describe as "conditional access" and "CAS" are one and the same thing. It's just that colloquially it's easier to refer to the now CAS altered cable TV system as CAS, as opposed to DTH & IPTV. All 3 mediums are based on conditional access.
[*] I think the term I used was that I was "holding out" for Airtel IPTV, which appropriately conveys that I have no choice since this whole CAS system is being forced onto consumers, and hence I am trying to choose the lesser of all evils.
[*] I am a huge proponent of standards of quality, and was indeed very frustrated with the low quality of video feed in cable. But as I mentioned in my last post, my main criticism is that the increase in quality is not at all proportionate to the increase in price. In simpler terms, though the price has doubled, the quality has not. e.g. Hathway's EPG is a joke, where many times the programme names are incorrect, and synopses of programmes are most of the time missing.
[*] It has screwed poorer people in real terms. They now have to pay double of what they were paying or lump it with shitty free-to-air channels. But yes there is grayness in that statement when considering that the cable-wallahs in giving connections to servant quarters were not acting 100% legitimately.
[*] My point merely is that this is not the best thing to happen to cable TV as seems to be your opinion, especially when considering what coud have actually been achieved.
[*] I my be wrong about this, but AFAIK there are three providers that provide cable-CAS - Hathway, Siticable and Incable, and which one you end up getting seems to be entirely dependent on which one your cable-wallah strikes a deal with. So where's the consumer choice?
[/list]Here's what I think should have been done:
[*] Before launching all this hoo-haa, the companies should have done adequate testing of all their software and ensuring that the 'cool' services they are offering via CAS such as EPG are setup to function well.
[*] STBs should have been developed indigenously instead of importing them. We have some smart people in this country, and I cannot accept that we cannot replicate such simple technology in-house.
[*] DVRs should have been developed indigenously as well, and rolled out on Jan 1 with the rest of CAS.
[*] Some other functionality should have been introduced in STBs such as deleting and moving channels. If I don' t want to see Star Plus or some other channel that sucks IMO then I should have the capability to remove it. If I want to have Star World next to HBO, let me. I can only imagine this to be a simple modification to their software, and something quite feasible. Yet, these are things they have not perhaps even thought of,much less implement.
[*] I am not privy to inside information, but it doesn't occur to me that the persons concerned even entertained the idea of bringing in HDTV standards. If we are making such a fundamental change to the way people watch TV, then let's just skip the intermediary step of adopting 10-year old technology and go straight to HDTV, or at least have it as an option for people willing to pay as much. The US is trying to make HDTV the standard for all TV transmission by the end of this decade, so instead of following in their footsteps why don't we walk with them?
[/list]So in a nutshell, my criticism is that although CAS has been brought under the ambit of improving things for consumers, the ones it really is helping are the MSOs, DTH providers, and STB manufacturers who will see a massive exponential burst in their revenue.

Note: I am not saying that the consumer has not benefited at all. Yes, the picture quality has improved. But not as much as it could have. Yes, it about time EPGs were introduced. But please, implement it properly.
 
I don't think they is anything wrong with the system. It is wrong with the pricing... with the offers.. with the companies. Not with CAS and the system.
 
QUOTE(vebmetal @ Jan 20 2007, 02:04 PM) [snapback]76153[/snapback]
A number of things:
[*] What you describe as "conditional access" and "CAS" are one and the same thing. It's just that colloquially it's easier to refer to the now CAS altered cable TV system as CAS, as opposed to DTH & IPTV. All 3 mediums are based on conditional access.
[*] I think the term I used was that I was "holding out" for Airtel IPTV, which appropriately conveys that I have no choice since this whole CAS system is being forced onto consumers, and hence I am trying to choose the lesser of all evils.
[*] I am a huge proponent of standards of quality, and was indeed very frustrated with the low quality of video feed in cable. But as I mentioned in my last post, my main criticism is that the increase in quality is not at all proportionate to the increase in price. In simpler terms, though the price has doubled, the quality has not. e.g. Hathway's EPG is a joke, where many times the programme names are incorrect, and synopses of programmes are most of the time missing.
[*] It has screwed poorer people in real terms. They now have to pay double of what they were paying or lump it with shitty free-to-air channels. But yes there is grayness in that statement when considering that the cable-wallahs in giving connections to servant quarters were not acting 100% legitimately.
[*] My point merely is that this is not the best thing to happen to cable TV as seems to be your opinion, especially when considering what coud have actually been achieved.
[*] I my be wrong about this, but AFAIK there are three providers that provide cable-CAS - Hathway, Siticable and Incable, and which one you end up getting seems to be entirely dependent on which one your cable-wallah strikes a deal with. So where's the consumer choice?
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[*]1. Yes they are the same thing but what is the difference between CAS and DTH , IPTV apart from the latter two giving you an option to choose your service provider. How can you conclude if a given operator is better than other in a CAS regime ; i would like to know.

[*]2. You say CAS is being forced onto you but you seriously think CAS would have been successful if the government had tried it the way of pilot trials ? Your bias towards Airtel is quite obvious. You say airtel is a lesser evil but fail to mention how it is so ?

[*]3. Your point about quality not being upto the standard is too vague coz it will differ from person to person. Again how do you decide if the given quality is upto the required mark ?

[*]4. As for the poor people you answer that yourself. You can't use low income groups as an excuse to abuse a new system when in fact is transparent and besides TRAI have taken a positive approach towards it by regulating the prices at Rs 5/- max for a channel.

[*]5. No system is perfect and CAS has it's downsides too but it will be addressed once the system is up and running fully. You can't expect a fool proof system that is just crazy.

[*]6. Again you come back to consumer choice thing. Sure it is important but it's not easy to implement as it will again take a lot of investment on the part of local operators to put up infrastructure to receive feeds from the other MSOs like Hathway , Incable or siticable. The local operator simply can't afford the implementation , functional and maintenance costs of such a huge system.
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[*] Not sure what exactly you mean by your question. Pls elaborate.


[*] Why do you presume that I want CAS to be successful? And what does it mean anyway for it to "be successful"? My bias towards Airtel is based on experience - pure and simple. I have had Airtel for years and I have had my cable-wallah for donkey's years. In every respect from customer service to reliability, I trust Airtel more. Moreover, Airtel has had the best internet plans. So most definitely, it is an assumption / expectancy on my part, that Airtel's IPTV service would be better / more reliable than current TV providers, but there is no hard evidence to back that up.
Moreover, I would say why should the government be involved at all? Tata Sky would have done well enough on their own. I know I would have taken it if it was a good deal even under the old cable regime.

[*] Well primarily I use my eyes and ears to determine quality. In addition, I mix factors such as ease-of-use, different features offered by the provider. As I gave in an example, the fact that Hathway's EPG is far from being correct, accurate or comprehensive all the time IMHO detracts from the quality of their service.


[*] I hate the way we throw around the word "abuse" in this country. "Abuse" is better used for things such as child molestation. I think the word you want to use is "swearing." I did neither with TataSky. 😛 But coming back to your point, I don't think CAS is as transparent as it is portrayed. Just today a friend told me that her cable-wallah charged her Rs. 100 as "installation fees" while installing Hathway (when they are not supposed to). But this information is not very easy to find. If you are net savvy maybe you can find it on Hathway's website (even though their information is also not 100% comprehensive). But if you are not net savvy, your only source of information is word-of-mouth or what your cable-wallah himself says.
And I don't see any problem in criticizing government policy on grounds that it adversely affects a poorer section of society.

[*] I never asked for a fool-proof system (and I don't even know what that means in the context of CAS :huh🙂. I just think a whole lot more could have been done with it with a little dose of imagination, vision, and technological understanding. For e.g., I think the current problem with AXN could easily have been addressed by developing the whole "Parental Control" thing in STBs. Give programs Parental Control ratings on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being hardcore pornography, and 1 being cartoons. Then leave it upto subscribers (parents) to decide what level of programming they want in their house. It took me all of 2 minutes to think that one up. Clearly they didn't put in those 2 minutes.

[*] Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't they sell us this CAS bullshit under the pretense that it would make things better for us - the end consumers??? It seems to only be helping the MSOs, STB manufacturers and other related parties. They publicized it with heavy rhetoric that consumers would actually end up paying less for cable TV.... the reality is completely the opposite.
[/list]As an addendum I would also criticize CAS on the grounds that this was supposed to mean an end of the bullshit service and constant nagging the cable-wallah. But all they did was put a fancy box. I still have the same dumbass of the cable-wallah handling it in the end. So what's the difference? I didn't have TV for the last day and a half because the cable-wallah had to send his guy to "fix" my stb by replacing him, and apparently he's from some other dimension with a different understanding of what "half-an-hour" means.
 

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