Best Leased Line for small data centre?

U.Kunwar

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Hi,I have an Airtel Leased line (radio link - with a 30ft tower on my roof in Delhi) at 4Mbps. I am launching a small data center, running Dell rack servers for web hosting services.Would this 4Mpbs leased line be enough for my use? I am planning to provide shared hosting and VPS - starting with around 100 clients.Thanks
 

mgcarley

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...probably not, no. Have you already spent the money on VESDA systems, raised flooring, power backups, structured cabling, air filtering and security systems?If so, what about redundancy? What happens when that connection gets saturated and customers start complaining? What happens when all the systems start downloading security updates from outside and your webservers become slow and/or inaccessible? What about DOS attacks? What happens should physical disaster strike (fire, powercuts etc)?If not, you're probably better off co-locating in an existing data centre that has, which will add redundancy and cost you less money in the short-term - Tata does this in most metros, Tulip has just launched a big DC, and most decent sized ISPs offer Co-Location in some form.
 


shubhank

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Can anyone quote me aswell for leasedline or fiber optics ?Requirements are network of 10Mbps,25,50 or 100Mbps with high bandwidth or unmetered.I know about BSNL FTTH and at first was thinking to get the 100Mbps line to distribute them between our servers but want to know more options when its a private ISP or any company providing that.@Thread starter, if you are thinking to use 4Mbps-10Mbps line for VPS and servers, you better not think about expanding out of india with that network/server setup. The low connectivity and network outside india will piss all your customers and force you to get refund requests daily.Better colocate in some nearby country like NL.Right now we also have colocation in US, NL (3 locations), ROYou can get 1U space with 1Gbps connectivity and 1-2~TB BW for around just Euro60-80~
 

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Can anyone quote me aswell for leasedline or fiber optics ?
Requirements are network of 10Mbps,25,50 or 100Mbps with high bandwidth or unmetered.
I know about BSNL FTTH and at first was thinking to get the 100Mbps line to distribute them between our servers but want to know more options when its a private ISP or any company providing that.

Typically you wouldn't be allowed to run servers like this on the likes of a typical BSNL FTTH connection, that's not what the service is designed for, and they'd want to give you a leased line. Depending on how much you buy, expect to pay upwards of Rs6k/megabit/month in small quantities (1 STM or less) or maybe 2/3 that if you buy say 4 STMs or reduced even further with bulk purchasing - hence you might also want to look at co-locating in India, or talk to E2E Networks

If you're still set on a leased line, since you're in the Delhi area, you probably want to talk to Tata, Tulip or Spectranet.

@Thread starter, if you are thinking to use 4Mbps-10Mbps line for VPS and servers, you better not think about expanding out of india with that network/server setup. The low connectivity and network outside india will piss all your customers and force you to get refund requests daily.

Better colocate in some nearby country like NL.
Right now we also have colocation in US, NL (3 locations), RO

You can get 1U space with 1Gbps connectivity and 1-2~TB BW for around just Euro60-80~

You don't have to go to Europe or the US to get cheaper connectivity - although probably not *as* cheap as some of those options, E2E Networks is giving fairly decent prices - and they're based in Noida with servers in most metros, so latency is usually pretty good... but it depends where most of his clientele are and where their websites are focused.
 

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Okay first of all, seriously no offence but rather than colocating in India and then depending for support or remote hands on the typical support of those DCs inhere, I had rather continue how we are working. We are already having full racks in many locations outside and happy with it.The reason we want a few servers in India are for a VPN, local backup and central servers to control all servers aswell as host our CRM Panel.What is STM ? Sorry but didnt get what it meant.Also, I am in Delhi NCR so fortunately can go anywhere Delhi or UP (Near Noida Delhi Borders)Also, I read nowhere on BSNL site that there are any separate FTTH plans for buisness or commercial use or anywhere in TOC restricting such use ? You sure it wont be allowed as its not on such a large scale in india.E2E networks, I cannot be sure about their word on 100Mbps network. Most service people in India say same but by the end of the day 2, you get to know its just a 10Mbps port and the support keeps replying "Its a shared 100Mbps port and thats what you get from it"Even the top DC of India CtrlS cannot guarantee you network saying you get dedicated 10Mbps which can burst till 3Gbps if bandwidth is available at that time.So you are having almost 1k servers in your DC and still expect free BW out of a 3Gbps line/network ?Well, everyone have their own exp. and viewsWell, you know any private ISP or way to have optic fiber or eth line of 10-30Mbps least ? Unmetered preferred
 


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Okay first of all, seriously no offence but rather than colocating in India and then depending for support or remote hands on the typical support of those DCs inhere, I had rather continue how we are working. We are already having full racks in many locations outside and happy with it.

This is fine - everybody's scenario is different. If you're looking to have your servers in India, then they should be in a data centre, not at the end of some FTTH line, that's all.

The reason we want a few servers in India are for a VPN, local backup and central servers to control all servers aswell as host our CRM Panel.

Fair enough - how much do you think you really need, considering your broadband is likely to be far slower than 100mbit/s?

What is STM ? Sorry but didnt get what it meant.
Also, I am in Delhi NCR so fortunately can go anywhere Delhi or UP (Near Noida Delhi Borders)

STM is a unit of measurement for bandwidth, it equates to 155mbit/s.

Also, I read nowhere on BSNL site that there are any separate FTTH plans for buisness or commercial use or anywhere in TOC restricting such use ? You sure it wont be allowed as its not on such a large scale in india.

I would be very surprised if it was allowed. BSNL is not very transparent in it's T&C but generally speaking a plan intended for broadband use will not be allowed to have servers sitting on the end of it - at least, anything other than private servers (which yours would not be, judging by what you're saying here). This doesn't apply just to India.

E2E networks, I cannot be sure about their word on 100Mbps network. Most service people in India say same but by the end of the day 2, you get to know its just a 10Mbps port and the support keeps replying "Its a shared 100Mbps port and thats what you get from it"

Even the top DC of India CtrlS cannot guarantee you network saying you get dedicated 10Mbps which can burst till 3Gbps if bandwidth is available at that time.
So you are having almost 1k servers in your DC and still expect free BW out of a 3Gbps line/network ?


Ctrl-S is quite a bit smaller than at least 3 other companies I know, but I see your point. What you are saying, however, is true of any DC, anywhere in the world. Do you honestly think the 1Gbit/s is dedicated in your European data centre?

The rate quoted by any ISP or HSP is a burst rate, but the DC *should* have sufficient bandwidth that this is achievable much of the time.

As far as E2E is concerned, I've met Tarun a few times and he is buying at least a few hundred megabits of bandwidth - I just did 2 simple tests (wget) now and got around 50mbit/s from a 2 servers in Mumbai to a VPS in Delhi, so "up to 100mbit/s" does ring true, but it's not quite as bad as you might think - from that same VPS I can usually obtain 50mbit/s to my home connection in Mumbai so for the average website this is sufficient.

Of course, I might say differently if I wanted to run something a little more intensive like a video streaming service, in which case I'd be looking to purchase at least a gigabit to start with anyway, however, even for your needs, considering the speed of your broadband connection even a shared 100mbit/s port might be OK, but I don't know enough about your specific situation to be sure.

Well, you know any private ISP or way to have optic fiber or eth line of 10-30Mbps least ? Unmetered preferred

As I've already mentioned, speak to Tata, Tulip or Spectranet in Delhi. Or Bharti if you get desperate. Or Reliance if you get really desperate.
 

shubhank

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Actually professional DCs provide what they promise and mention clearly on their product list their usage policy.I am using both dedicated 1Gbps and 95th Percentile billing (50Mbps) so its always better when usage policy is clear.I mean you sign a contract with CtrlS when at first call they say "Yeah you can use upto 1Gbps" but on 7th call they are saying "You can use upto 1Gbps or more but it depends how much bandwidth is available free for use at that time"Secondly, yes our usage won't be 100Mbps at all. 10-30Mbps line would be good enough but its always good to know how much we can expand with our current provider, also getting BSNL FTTH line of 10Mbps unmetered for just 1 server or 2 servers I dont think should count in commercial. I can just show that usage and those servers in a apartment for personal use. But yeah from a legal point of view, I had rather not do it and look for alternatives.MTNL/BSNL Leased Line offers are not so decent priced on high links.34Mbps is for Rs 1.08 Lacs I guess.Is the price yearly ? As then it makes it almost 9k INR a month which would fairly be decent enough for a dedicated line.However nowhere bandwidth is mentioned.Can I assume its unmetered ?E2E provides colocation ? Can they also provide a optic fiber line to a apartment/office nearby from their facilities ?Reliance is outta question, too damn costly as per what I have read regarding their service and rates.Their network might be the topest in India, but in that price I can take a Plane and colocate same servers in Singapore or HK maybe.
 

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Reliance network is nowhere near good. Their enterprise services are as bad as their home services. Your best bet would be TATA (if you're looking for a leased line). Also, I think you can use bsnl ftth in the way, you've mentioned, as the plans are for both business as well as home users.
 

shubhank

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Thats what i was thinking as bsnl has clearly mentioned same plans of ftth on their buisness and enterprise broadband pageNow question is if 34Mbps leased will be better or 30mbps ftth
 

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