Rave party busted : ipl players detained

mgcarley

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The raid was EXTREMELY badly organized and broke a lot of rules of CPC and Mumbai Police Act (sections 162 and 199 of the relevant codes, IIRC) - including no food and water provided, forced testimony and photographs taken of non-arrested persons. Worse is that there was a lot of lies: the ACP (Mr Patil, I think his name is) PROMISED that females would not be detained at the police station after medical tests were done, yet they were taken and held for 4 hours. They also didn't give the requisite paperwork, despite multitudes of xeroxes of all sorts of documentation - so no charge, no arrest, but detained anyway. Basically, a few idiots ruined the nights of the rest - there were many innocent victims, many of whom were held until about 6am - some even longer - without notification to family at the appropriate time (which is part of the detaining procedure). It seems that the police are just trying to make up their arrest quotas to avoid anyone noticing that they sleep through the other 26 days a month they're supposed to be on duty, deduced from the fact that the media were called about 45 minutes in advance of the raid *AND* there was 1 big cop and 2 sidekicks present at the party (presumably scoping it out)!Additional fallout from this incident is that many of the foreign tourists have pledged NOT to return to India and to tell all their friends never to come here, which is both sad and economically not very good. [FTR, I wasn't there, but I was directly affected as a result - I will be filing a complaint on behalf of someone, which makes 2 pending complaints against Mumbai Police in 2 months. Way to go, jerks.]
 

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India mien sab chalta hai .... If ppl start getting released when police don't follow the rules then half of the prisons in India would be empty...
 


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India mien sab chalta hai .... If ppl start getting released when police don't follow the rules then half of the prisons in India would be empty...

Not exactly. There's a difference between following due process and releasing convicted criminals. None of these people were arrested or even charged with anything, yet forced to give blood and urine samples, forced to sign declarations, and forced to have their mugshots taken (thus going on record as having been held in custody despite the lack of charges or arrests).

Moreover, the women (I don't know about the men) were ferried to not 1 but 3 different hospitals - first to Cooper, then some other one in Bandra which was too ill-equipped to receive them, then JJ, before being taken back to the station and held inside the ladies locker room - something which Mr Patil had assured my person would *not* be happening.

For the record, my sources tell me that between 12 and 15 of the samples have tested positive.

Moreover, many "facts" given in the media differ from first-hand accounts - the main one of which is that almost none of the people detained were attending a rave party - many of them were from 2 other separate events in different parts of the complex, yet had to endure this nonsense for 12-hours anyway.
 

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if i am to believe what i see from american content on television, people there are more aware of what the laws give them.

i remember watching cases on shows like the practice where proven cases of illegal activity was let go because cops did not follow the proper procedure. like not having the right to search a suspect's premise even though you found drugs in the house. something on that line.

not sure if it also happens in reality.

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a recent movie told me that if the cops do not read your rights at the time of arrest, they are breaking the law and you get free no matter what you were charged for. something on that line.

pleading fifth is something that is pretty cool too.
 


mgcarley

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if i am to believe what i see from american content on television, people there are more aware of what the laws give them.

I doubt it. Sadly, most people (the world over) are pretty ignorant. However, at least a couple of the things I mentioned (eg food and water) are not just local/state/national police code, it's actually some kind of UN/human rights guarantee or something (I'd have to re-check the procedure document to cite the source) - maybe part of the Geneva convention, something, I forget exactly.

i remember watching cases on shows like the practice where proven cases of illegal activity was let go because cops did not follow the proper procedure. like not having the right to search a suspect's premise even though you found drugs in the house. something on that line.

not sure if it also happens in reality.

Perfect example of it happening in a developed country: Kim Dotcom & the raid relating to -- link removed --. It's basically been determined as unlawful and if things continue the way they have been, the NZ government will be telling the US government to stick their (civil, not criminal, thus not eligible for extradition) case where the sun don't shine. I hope. If they don't, I may very well look at changing my allegiance.

a recent movie told me that if the cops do not read your rights at the time of arrest, they are breaking the law and you get free no matter what you were charged for. something on that line.

pleading fifth is something that is pretty cool too.

The 5th amendment to the US constitution does apply here, except it's not the fifth amendment, it would be called something else - I'd have to check the relevant section of the code(s) - it has to do with self incrimination and your right to consult legal counsel (if necessary - if you've done nothing wrong you shouldn't have anything to worry about anyway).

What is commonly known as the Miranda warning also does apply, however both of these are relevant to *arrest*, which *none* of the people (thus far) have been arrested or charged, simply detained against their will (which is legal only up to a certain time period), but in any case this was done without even basic supplies and without contacting the families along with all the rest of it.
 

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i really don't understand what has Indian police got against raves, i was 'detained' at a rave for 15 or 20 mins some 6 or 7 years back, made a fast call to my lawyer who made some right calls and we were send off, but this whole thing is just sucks balls and this has been going on since 2003 , 04 when rave scene made it to India. bottom line at any party with tons of ppl you would always have some guys and girls and theirs moms and dads doing drugs or other naughty things and some just enjoying the music and dance as me, i have been to parties in India which give 'swinging' a whole different meaning. it is more or less likely that cops want some media light and media wants to show some known faces getting busted , you won't stop drug abuse at a rave , to stop it you have cut of the supply and the supply which is mostly done with . dealers + cops+ politicians all working together, this is a huge pipeline of money which nobody is cutting off. you have some parts of U.S law right ,the fifth amendment or the bill of rights contains a lot of things but one part is, if you take the fifth you cannot be made to say or produce any evidence which would incriminate you. yep if evidence is produced in illegal way then the court would throw the case out, for example if there is a wire tap as evidence and taped evidence is without a court order the whole case is thrown out. U.S courts or rather lawyers work on simple thing , hardly any case goes to trail, it is always better to cut a deal, there are many well known layers in U.S who have not set a step inside a court room . MG what you are talking what is U.N's charter on human civil rights which nobody in this world gives flying frak about, Geneva convention applies to POW's and war crimes which again are pissed on everyday esp by U.S. and dude NZ govt and courts have bended and also oiled themselves for the Kim/mega case , it is time you guys made some noise about it or nobody is going to pay 10 mill for NZ citizenship and then have their rights taken away at the whim some of companies.
 

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The raid was EXTREMELY badly organized and broke a lot of rules of CPC and Mumbai Police Act (sections 162 and 199 of the relevant codes, IIRC) - including no food and water provided, forced testimony and photographs taken of non-arrested persons.

Worse is that there was a lot of lies: the ACP (Mr Patil, I think his name is) PROMISED that females would not be detained at the police station after medical tests were done, yet they were taken and held for 4 hours. They also didn't give the requisite paperwork, despite multitudes of xeroxes of all sorts of documentation - so no charge, no arrest, but detained anyway.

Basically, a few idiots ruined the nights of the rest - there were many innocent victims, many of whom were held until about 6am - some even longer - without notification to family at the appropriate time (which is part of the detaining procedure). It seems that the police are just trying to make up their arrest quotas to avoid anyone noticing that they sleep through the other 26 days a month they're supposed to be on duty, deduced from the fact that the media were called about 45 minutes in advance of the raid *AND* there was 1 big cop and 2 sidekicks present at the party (presumably scoping it out)!

Additional fallout from this incident is that many of the foreign tourists have pledged NOT to return to India and to tell all their friends never to come here, which is both sad and economically not very good.

[FTR, I wasn't there, but I was directly affected as a result - I will be filing a complaint on behalf of someone, which makes 2 pending complaints against Mumbai Police in 2 months. Way to go, jerks.]

The Police of this country sucks .. One cant have any work done here without having contacts .. example :- In 2006 there was a building getting made next to mine, they would work till late sometimes 10pm , sometimes 11pm . i filed a police complaint nothing happened .. I used some contacts and then there was a different story, the police actually took some action against them and started shutting their work by 7pm ...
 

mgcarley

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it is more or less likely that cops want some media light and media wants to show some known faces getting busted , you won't stop drug abuse at a rave , to stop it you have cut of the supply and the supply which is mostly done with . dealers + cops+ politicians all working together, this is a huge pipeline of money which nobody is cutting off.


You're pretty much saying what I did :D

you have some parts of U.S law right ,the fifth amendment or the bill of rights contains a lot of things but one part is, if you take the fifth you cannot be made to say or produce any evidence which would incriminate you.

Again, isn't that what I said?

MG what you are talking what is U.N's charter on human civil rights which nobody in this world gives flying frak about, Geneva convention applies to POW's and war crimes which again are pissed on everyday esp by U.S.

Well, maybe not in China, but most of the rest of the world gives half a damn. Unless it's a terror suspect, then they "deserve it", apparently.

But nevertheless, the U.N rules HAVE BEEN ADOPTED in local policy and so, even if nobody gives a toss about the UN charter, they should surely give a toss about the local law. Especially since they're supposed to be enforcing it and all.

and dude NZ govt and courts have bended and also oiled themselves for the Kim/mega case , it is time you guys made some noise about it or nobody is going to pay 10 mill for NZ citizenship and then have their rights taken away at the whim some of companies.

At first, yes, the court bent to the will of the US, however that was before anyone knew about the full extent of the case. Some Kiwis take it upon themselves to get educated on matters and none of us like being bullied by the USA. We told Bush to f* off on more than one occasion, but Obama apparently is just so damn charming :D

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Kim Dotcom did NOT gain citizenship, only residency, although he now has a set of twins who are NZ citizens because they were born there, so yay for them. New Zealand does not limit the number of passports I can have (unlike countries like India and the USA, where you're only allowed the one unless you were born a dual citizen, but if you acquire citizenship by naturalization in certain countries you are required to relinquish any others you may possess), so he *could* apply for citizenship after a couple of years if he wanted to - assuming all the charges are cleared and stuff - and since his existing citizenships (German & Finnish) don't require relinquishing and also allow one to carry multiple passports then he could have all 3.

Basically, what he did was pay $10 million to avoid having to wait ~18 months or so - when you hit the high-investor status, it's granted (more or less) automatically.

But citizenship and residency are very different propositions, with different conditions and benefits.

For example, I am a resident of India, but I can't vote, and I'm not eligible for an Indian passport. I do have a special "foreigners passport" issued by the FRRO but that's just a residency certificate, not a travel document. I have a PAN card and am obliged to pay tax and am eligible for a drivers license. But not for a ration card (if I needed one I wouldn't be fulfilling my visa obligations anyway!) or a voters I.D.

On the other hand, I am a citizen of New Zealand, where I can vote (and I did at the consulate at BKC in November), but as I'm a resident of India, I'm not obliged to pay taxes in NZ on what I earn here (tax treaty), but I still have all the numbers, drivers license, passport etc.

My children, should I have any to an Indian woman, would be dual citizens of NZ and India, and would be allowed to carry both passports as I explained above.

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The Police of this country sucks

I'm pretty much not a fan of any police anywhere in the world at the best of times. Of course, my opinion of Mumbai police is... well... lest I be kicked out of India for voicing my thoughts on them, I'll leave that to your imagination :p