Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale

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So guys we know tht MRCA bids will be out after 7th October .. So its sometime by this month end the deal will be finalized .. Its a $10 billion deal and US backed F16s r already rejected ..

Air force has shortlisted Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale ..

The Hindu : News / National : IAF hopes to finalise combat aircraft deal by year-end

Which u think is better for air force?

This is typhoon .. It is build by 4-5 countries from europe .. So there may be technology transfer issues cos of multiple parties ..





and this is Rafale .. Build by france ..
 

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Both the planes are more or less similar though eurofighter has an edge on rafale. It is a newer plane with more modern tech and India will not only absorb tech but also become a partner in the four countries consortium.

But again buying EF will not help India strategically as the nations behind it have almost no political clout. France's on the other hand is much more heavier globally which could help India in the long run. moreover snemca is jointly developing the jet engine for LCA mkII which will bring synergies and lower costs.....

At the end it is a tough decison....India has to choose weighing all its options.
 

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Germany and UK r quite influential .. Germany's military is although nothing but technology wise they r way ahead ..UK as we know is a big power ..Thing is India is buying heavily from France and it may not be a good idea to be dependent on a single country ..But I do agree it is going to be a difficult situation .. But whtever is best for air force should be chosen .. No political or economic condition should be taken in account while making the decision ..
 


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But i am so upset for USA, uncle sam would be so sad....:1crying: It has shown them that it has to treat India differently, selling outdated and crap will not do like pakis:smiley-ashamed005:f16/18 were to be sold as a pre condition for getting access to the mouth watering F35 JSF but now they have to revert back. Already they are pitching in F35C for indian navy future IAC..shameless... :smiley-ashamed004::smiley-ashamed005:
 

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Exactly .. F16 were so outdated and they deserved to be thrown out .. It was good tht govt didn't bent infront of US ..Let armed forces decide wht is needed by them .. Let them shop alone ..Prob with US is tht .. there is no technology transfer .. They keep all the secrets with them and this is not wht any country wants .. A party which is purchasing the planes wanna do some of the upgrades themselves according to their need .. which is not allowed by US ..F16 given to pak already r showing probs with their thermal imagining system .. and no one can fix tht except the manufacturer them self ..
 

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Exactly .. F16 were so outdated and they deserved to be thrown out .. It was good tht govt didn't bent infront of US ..
Let armed forces decide wht is needed by them .. Let them shop alone ..

Prob with US is tht .. there is no technology transfer .. They keep all the secrets with them and this is not wht any country wants .. A party which is purchasing the planes wanna do some of the upgrades themselves according to their need .. which is not allowed by US ..

F16 given to pak already r showing probs with their thermal imagining system .. and no one can fix tht except the manufacturer them self ..

About US's tech transfer they had a ball till they didn't trade with India. Now they will have to understand that it is no ordinary buyer and has to treat it with respect :bat:. I think the c17's which we got don't come with advanced gps and other techs thanks to India not signing Cismoa agreement. Anyway's India cares shit abt that we will soon have our Gagan and access to Glonass.

F16 of pakis will be utter crap in a few years...don't know if the recent aids also contain spare parts but if US stops giving them all their so called mighty F16's will be grounded. They can't even build a nut on their own..utter crap.:silly:


@topic...USA should have bought the F35 JSF and ended the MMRCA matter once for all. IAF would have been happy to kick out others for that beast...
 


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For some reason I was under the impression that Rafale would be the winner.We've had a good realtion with them and their nuke tech is of interest as well.Get a twofer for a bargain.
 

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We've had a good realtion with them and their nuke tech is of interest as well.

nuke tech ???
 

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at this point it will be much better for IAF to get anything and stop killing pilots, in out dated mig's and jag from 70's plus stop wasting any more money on LCA the aircraft which was to spearhead our air force and which is still in development after nearly 35 yrs on it !! for the 1st time we have lost our air superiority edge over pakistan and china can have us for breakfast. personally i will go for rafale it has a huge jump on others on the table for time being.