NIXI root cause for implementation of <<<***FUP***>>> by all major Indian ISP's

pk_

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Actually, I'm brushing you off because you are completely wrong and do not know how any of this stuff works, nor do you even get the point of an IXP, which in fact is designed to remove the necessity for peering directly with each individual ISP.


If you have slightest plan to connect your virtual ISP to NIXI, I will suggest you to go through the terms once again.Because I have spent many weeks in NIXI itself.

If you still wish to argue the toss, I'm more than happy to get some technical people (not just my own technical people but technical people from ISPs you so admire, including but not limited to BSNL) who actually do this for a living to back me up and assert that I'm not as full of sh*t as you think I am.


oh now you are not a technical person?

The simple truth of the matter is, your knowledge in every aspect of this business is severely lacking, and although I'm not perfect myself, I can at least back up everything that I say with documentation or confirmation from a colleague or counterpart in the industry.

I can see how much you and your industry fellow (if they exist) know,
1.You need an ISP License for creating a data centre.Really?
2.You suggested me that I can create a city level LAN without any ISP License.I would like to help clear your concepts regarding this too, if you like
Section 4 of Indian Telegraph Act gives exclusive privileges to install and operate any telegraph in India to central government.No One else can operate any type of telegraph[including any type of computer network] in India without an explicit license from govt. of India.
Never try to do it otherwise DoT is coming behind your Arses.
3.You think IP-1 license is the one which is needed to create a LAN.It would be better if you read it once again.It is for those who want to invest in civil works by creating tower,dark fiber etc and then wish to rent it to an ISP/Auth Telcos.THis license was specially created when Indian policy makers thought that it would be better for Indian Telcos to share infrastructure.
4.You dont even know that NIXI's port charges are just for BGP query.Hope Point Number 4 of Basic Routing Policy in Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.11 helps you in your business.

Come out of your virtual world .This godly attitude wont let you learn new things.I could consider talking technical things with You but you don't even know the basics of ISP business.You simple waste my time
 

mgcarley

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If you have slightest plan to connect your virtual ISP to NIXI, I will suggest you to go through the terms once again.Because I have spent many weeks in NIXI itself.

Sure you have.

oh now you are not a technical person?

You don't seem to believe anything *I* have to say.

I can see how much you and your industry fellow (if they exist) know,
1.You need an ISP License for creating a data centre.Really?
2.You suggested me that I can create a city level LAN without any ISP License.I would like to help clear your concepts regarding this too, if you like
Section 4 of Indian Telegraph Act gives exclusive privileges to install and operate any telegraph in India to central government.No One else can operate any type of telegraph[including any type of computer network] in India without an explicit license from govt. of India.
Never try to do it otherwise DoT is coming behind your Arses.
3.You think IP-1 license is the one which is needed to create a LAN.It would be better if you read it once again.It is for those who want to invest in civil works by creating tower,dark fiber etc and then wish to rent it to an ISP/Auth Telcos.
4.You dont even know that NIXI's port charges are just for BGP query.Hope Point Number 4 of Basic Routing Policy in Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.11 helps you in your business.

1. No you don't. You need one to peer as in peering. You have been mixing up terminology claiming that they are one and the same when they are not, now you are trying to fault me for your mistakes.
2. You can create a network without an ISP license. How do you think cable operators operate?
3. It gives you the right to build and maintain the network. Cable operators distribute services on behalf of licensed ISPs which is why they themselves do not require licenses.
4. I know NIXI's policies, but you don't know the difference between BGP and network traffic. One does not need any specific port speed to advertise BGP routes, one needs a specific port speed to transfer data. That is what is being charged for.

I have read all of the documentation, and have had it interpreted by professionals so that it is understood not only by me but the people I have to explain this stuff to in order for them to support my venture. My suggestion to you is to please get your facts straight or bugger off.

Come out of your virtual world .This godly attitude wont let you learn new things.I could consider talking technical things with You but you don't even know the basics of ISP business.You simple waste my time

Why would I want to learn things that are wrong? Why am I even arguing with someone who doesn't even grasp the fundamentals of what we're doing here? Seriously, get your head out of your ass and come back when you've got some knowledge worth imparting.
 

pk_

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Sure you have.



You don't seem to believe anything *I* have to say.



1. No you don't. You need one to peer as in peering. You have been mixing up terminology claiming that they are one and the same when they are not, now you are trying to fault me for your mistakes.
2. You can create a network without an ISP license. How do you think cable operators operate?
3. It gives you the right to build and maintain the network. Cable operators distribute services on behalf of licensed ISPs which is why they themselves do not require licenses.
4. I know NIXI's policies, but you don't know the difference between BGP and network traffic. One does not need any specific port speed to advertise BGP routes, one needs a specific port speed to transfer data. That is what is being charged for.

I have read all of the documentation, and have had it interpreted by professionals so that it is understood not only by me but the people I have to explain this stuff to in order for them to support my venture. My suggestion to you is to please get your facts straight or bugger off.



Why would I want to learn things that are wrong? Why am I even arguing with someone who doesn't even grasp the fundamentals of what we're doing here? Seriously, get your head out of your ass and come back when you've got some knowledge worth imparting.

I wish you all the best for your future
 


devx101

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who is speaking the truth ? we need an expert and a tribunal now to settle disputes ...
 

Sushubh

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this is largely the reason i cannot take any sides :Di can just sit idle and wait for hayai and fibernet to launch something :D
 
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this is going too farhave a productive convo I request -->Operamaniac THE ADMIN
 


devx101

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this is going to far have;a productive convo or I request -->Operamaniac THE ADMIN
 

mehrotra.akash

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Quick question from the 1st post:If ISP's get a rebate for outgoing data, and charged for incoming data, why not increase upload speeds, and modify plans to include a customer rebate for outgoing data as wellVirgin Mobile had something like that where you get paid to receive calls from non Tata numbersMaybe something of the sort: Billed Data= Downloaded Data - Uploaded Data/2 or something like that