NIXI root cause for implementation of <<<***FUP***>>> by all major Indian ISP's

indactxxx

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AS OF DATE ALL MAJOR INDIAN ISP'S ARE MEMBERS OF NIXI Home: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India which facilitates data transfer of Indian ISP's on National level for which they are charging ISP's port charges & Rs.25 per GB as settlement charges between ISP's instead of each ISP routing there traffic to international gateways hence reducing the latency times for inter data transfers between ISP's.

To conclude therefore ISP's like Airtel,Tata Indicom etc. have Fair Usage Policy inplace in order to protect there broadband revenues which are bleeding away thru use of torrents where ISP 'A' is loosing money to another ISP 'B' in way of settlement charges payable thru NIXI.

For more detailed explanation enclosing below the NIXI Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10

Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India
 

pk_

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AS OF DATE ALL MAJOR INDIAN ISP'S ARE MEMBERS OF NIXI Home: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India which facilitates data transfer of Indian ISP's on National level for which they are charging ISP's port charges & Rs.25 per GB as settlement charges between ISP's instead of each ISP routing there traffic to international gateways hence reducing the latency times for inter data transfers between ISP's.

To conclude therefore ISP's like Airtel,Tata Indicom etc. have Fair Usage Policy inplace in order to protect there broadband revenues which are bleeding away thru use of torrents where ISP 'A' is loosing money to another ISP 'B' in way of settlement charges payable thru NIXI.

For more detailed explanation enclosing below the NIXI Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10

Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India

How come NIXI is responsible for FUP then?

NIXI has some set of guiding principles to give fair opportunity to smaller ISPs and giving fair compensation to larger ISPs who have invested in large infrastructure.Some settlement rate has to be there.This rate which was earlier 25/GB currently some 17 and soon going to be 10/GB is governed by global techno-economical factors.

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moreover FUP in India was an Industry response to TRAI's QoS guidelines
 

mgcarley

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AS OF DATE ALL MAJOR INDIAN ISP'S ARE MEMBERS OF NIXI Home: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India which facilitates data transfer of Indian ISP's on National level for which they are charging ISP's port charges & Rs.25 per GB as settlement charges between ISP's instead of each ISP routing there traffic to international gateways hence reducing the latency times for inter data transfers between ISP's.

To conclude therefore ISP's like Airtel,Tata Indicom etc. have Fair Usage Policy inplace in order to protect there broadband revenues which are bleeding away thru use of torrents where ISP 'A' is loosing money to another ISP 'B' in way of settlement charges payable thru NIXI.

For more detailed explanation enclosing below the NIXI Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10

Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India

You're forgetting that for every GB of traffic in the other direction, Rs25 is subtracted. For the large ISPs, the traffic balance is nearly equal, so the tariffs are small. But for smaller ISPs, the traffic levels are 2:1, 3:1 or worse, which can be financially difficult to swallow.

The situation needs to be more like that of IX points abroad, where traffic is not charged, the ports are of decent size (either 1,000 or 10,000mbit/s - none of this 10mbit/s or 100mbit/s stuff should be there anymore), and the rates are reasonable.

How come NIXI is responsible for FUP then?

NIXI has some set of guiding principles to give fair opportunity to smaller ISPs and giving fair compensation to larger ISPs who have invested in large infrastructure.Some settlement rate has to be there.This rate which was earlier 25/GB currently some 17 and soon going to be 10/GB is governed by global techno-economical factors.

moreover FUP in India was an Industry response to TRAI's QoS guidelines

1. Peering at NIXI screws smaller ISPs because of the reasons stated above.
2. Peering actually costs next to nothing.
3. NO OTHER IX ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD CHARGES PER GB, so what is this about a settlement rate having to be there?
4. While the rates are going down, none of this is dictated by global factors - I buy my International bandwidth for far cheaper than I can peer at NIXI... because of this, it's cheaper for me to route traffic via Equinix in Singapore than it is to route via NIXI - unless I'm sending as much traffic as I'm receiving, and there are many ISPs that are not in that position yet. It is nice to see that 10Gbit/s ports were finally introduced at surprisingly reasonable prices, but those per GB charges should still be removed if ISPs in India want to even think of competing with those abroad.
 


mgcarley

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What happened to the plans to create an alternative internet exchange in India?

Not sure. We're going to do it internally.
 

devx101

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So why don't smaller ISPs go and complain in bodies like competition commision-cci, courts etc...If they sit back noting will happen.
 


pk_

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Not sure. We're going to do it internally.

@mgcarley

you concepts regarding this one are again wrong.Let me clarify the situation.

The simple concept is , the one who requests, has to pay and no one has problem with that.varna ab tak hungama ho gaya hota :)
Are you of the opinion that even when there is no download request from smaller ISP , then also heavy traffic inflow occurs towards smaller ISP?

And the port charges which you consider cheap for a 10 Gbps, this port is just for BGP query.You have to separately peer with ISP of your choice for actual data transfer .

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believe me , even 100 Mbps for BGP is A LOT
 

mgcarley

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@mgcarley

you concepts regarding this one are again wrong.Let me clarify the situation.

The simple concept is , the one who requests, has to pay and no one has problem with that.varna ab tak hungama ho gaya hota :)
Are you of the opinion that even when there is no download request from smaller ISP , then also heavy traffic inflow occurs towards smaller ISP?

And the port charges which you consider cheap for a 10 Gbps, this port is just for BGP query.You have to separately peer with ISP of your choice for actual data transfer .-----

believe me , even 100 Mbps for BGP is A LOT

Clearly you have no idea how an IXP works, but, if you say so, sure, I'll believe you over the people who are actually working in the industry if that's what you want to hear, oh wise IITan.
 

pk_

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this is the problem you dont want to learn...i just wanted to help you ..if you are not interested then fine..i doubt you have ever visited any node of NIXI leave that industry thing it is evident from your talks how much you know :)
 

mgcarley

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this is the problem you dont want to learn...i just wanted to help you ..if you are not interested then fine..i doubt you have ever visited any node of NIXI leave that industry thing it is evident from your talks how much you know :)

Actually, I'm brushing you off because you are completely wrong and do not know how any of this stuff works, nor do you even get the point of an IXP, which in fact is designed to remove the necessity for peering directly with each individual ISP.

If you still wish to argue the toss, I'm more than happy to get some technical people (not just my own technical people but technical people from ISPs you so admire, including but not limited to BSNL) who actually do this for a living to back me up and assert that I'm not as full of sh*t as you think I am.

The simple truth of the matter is, your knowledge in every aspect of this business is severely lacking, and although I'm not perfect myself, I can at least back up everything that I say with documentation or confirmation from a colleague or counterpart in the industry.