Reliance Jio has acquired majority stake in Hathway Cable & Datacom and DEN Networks

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I imagine they are just eliminating the competition from smaller players. These smaller players are likely to remain very competitive wrt pricing and would hurt their enrollment. It is just cheaper to buy them now than to bleed them out.
 

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No, I don't think Airtel is bleeding out because of them and I don't see a reason why Jio would bleed out (given that they have billion dollar investment for the Jio overall).

That's not a reason for sure. Hathway/Den are no where near being competition.

Jio Mobile (4G Volte) itself a threat to Airtel Broadband, Hathway, Den, ACT, Excitel (if the person is not heavy usage), I find it hard to believe how they would be threat to Jio Broadband.

Plans of Jio are not out yet. It's all assumptions. So we can't really say that these small ISP are cheaper than Jio.

P.S.: There is a very common issue with Hathway, They bleed out of their bandwidth quota time-to-time which they buy from Airtel (so basically, the backend of Hathway is Airtel itself). People are left without internet until Hathway renews their bandwidth with Airtel.

If Jio really wants to have stake in Hathway, they should know that they are investing in a firm which is indirectly dependent upon the Airtel (which it would move to Jio leaving Airtel as the data-bandwidth provider) but then it will be the step of people leaving Hathway too because Jio has too much of routing issues. I can't imagine 50ms ping on a fiber internet connection where as people get 0ms-1ms on a ethernet (Excitel), 10ms max on Airtel V-Fiber and 10-20ms on Cable Docsis.
 
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reliance is not really known for their quality, jio 4g network is a proof of that where it works its great but where it doesn't work they don't put a lot of effort in improving it.

With Hathway, Den they will get a jump start in broadband and tv market.
 


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Yeah, they have missing quality in their network. It's a typical Indian Company (Reliance) who wants numbers and not quality.

They are seriously not improving any services. It is like they came with a change and they settled with it only. There is no further revolution.

P.S.: With Changes their intentions seems to increase their numbers only not the quality of service in India.

If I believe, I would invest double the amount to setup my Fiber and do whatever it takes rather than investing in Hathway/Den (Which are already dying up lately).

I wanted to move to Excitel from Hathway but couldn't because of some issues with my Local Excitel LCO. I see many people leaving Hathway lately.

Hathway has a lot of issues which they don't fix for years no matter how much you complain to Nodal.

Infact, they haven't solved the 1.1.1.1 issue on Hathway yet.

Basically, all these latest news of Jio Fiber and their approach has given me second thoughts that "Ache Din are still far away".
 

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Mukesh Ambani, Chairman & Managing Director, RIL said, “We are glad to join hands with Shri Rajan Raheja and Shri Sameer Manchanda, two of the pioneers in the MSO industry. Our investments in DEN and Hathway create a win-win-win outcome for the LCOs, customers, content producers and the eco-system.
hmmm

so why didn't they just partnered with LCOs directly
 


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Dealing with 2 is easier than talking to 100s of LCO. Simple.. ? And they have welcomed the LCO as well.

"With Local Cable Operators now as part of the Jio ecosystem, we look forward to bringing Jio’s advanced JioGigaFiber and Smart Home Solutions to more Indian homes, even quicker. We look forward to welcoming other MSOs and LCOs to be part of this partnership. "
 
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What I think, these are the cases which might happen:

1. Jio might replace Hathway's Backend Bandwidth Provider (which is currently Airtel in Delhi).

2. Jio might replace the backend of the Hathway and Install their better equipment. (Changing from DOCSIS to Better Technology)

3. Jio might replace the front-end of the Hathway and do it FTTH (Wiring).

4. Jio might over-take the work-force of the Hathway and introduce the Jio's work-force on it.

5. Jio might just end the Hathway's entity and make it the Jio (100% as Branding but won't introduce any physical changes except for the name).

6. Same Point as 5th but with Physical Changes also like Technical, Hardware, Software etc.

P.S.: Since Jio is invested now, all those small LCOs or Excitel wouldn't be messing with the wires of Hathway anymore as they are afraid of Airtel. Same, Hathway can't practice the same (if they do it as well). It might increase the quality of service in some cases but mostly the quality of services will decline for sometime or for some-long-time since Jio has huge routing issues.
 
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1 , 2 and 3 will happen because jio wants to provide IPtv service and other IOT stuff not just broadband.

4 lets hope they will train them and not fire them.

lco are afraid of airtel ?
 

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Yes, LCO generally don't touch the wire of Airtel. LCO only cut wires of other LCO because it's vice versa.

If they cut the wires of Airtel repeatedly, Airtel will take the camera footages and proceed from there. It's the case of Delhi atleast. LCO never touches airtel wires.

Secondly, cutting airtel means multiple complains of landline issues. Airtel has better response time. If they see a pattern, they will surely do something.

That's the difference between Airtel and LCO.

You are indirectly saying, 6th Point is going to be agreed.

Butretaining current team is shit decision as they are those who are uneducated and doesn't understand anything related to computers.

A nice and little bit of sensible dressing agents (white collar or semi blur collars) are required.


Hathway has all blur collar. Their attitude is like a worker in factory and not like employee of a company.
 
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