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I really don't know wht the hell is govt doing ... First the Kashmiris drove out pandits and now they r driving out Hindu laborers ... They can't see Hindu building their "so called" colonies there ... Its our country and our state damn it ...They want to hoist pakistan flag ... They give healing touch to militants ... This govt is just useless ... How can they allow such things ... they should use force to supress them in every possible way ... In jammu they called in army to stop agitations but they r just doing nothing regarding kashmir ...Those traitors in Kashmir need to be thrown out in pakistan ... let them march to pok and after tht seal the border and never let them back ...
 

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they didnt hoist a pakistani flag. that was the flag of islam. they look quite similar, so dont be mistaken. the indian army would never have tolerated that...:thumbsup:
 

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Wht abt anti India and pro pakistan slogan ... These guys should be kicked out asap ... Really our govt is absolutely pathetic ...
 


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there is a very famous journalist who writes an article in every sunday times of india (at least mumbai, dunno about other cities). this time, he had written on kashmir. worth reading, highly recommeneded.

SWAMINOMICS

Independence Day for Kashmir

SWAMINATHAN S ANKLESARIA AIYAR



On August 15, India celebrated independence from the British Raj. But Kashmiris staged a bandh demanding independence from India. A day symbolising the end of colonialism in India became a day symbolising Indian colonialism in the Valley.
As a liberal, i dislike ruling people against their will. True, nationbuilding is a difficult and complex exercise, and initial resistance can give way to the integration of regional aspirations into a larger national identity — the end of Tamil secessionism was a classical example of this.
I was once hopeful of Kashmir’s integration, but after six decades of effort, Kashmiri alienation looks greater than ever. India seeks to integrate with Kashmir, not rule it colonially. Yet, the parallels between British rule in India and Indian rule in Kashmir have become too close for my comfort.
Many Indians say that Kashmir legally became an integral part of India when the maharaja of the state signed the instrument of accession. Alas, such legalisms become irrelevant when ground realities change. Indian kings and princes, including the Mughals, acceded to the British Raj. The documents they signed became irrelevant when Indians launched an independence movement.
The British insisted for a long time that India was an integral part of their Empire, the jewel in its crown, and would never be given up. Imperialist Blimps remained in denial for decades. I fear we are in similar denial on Kashmir.
The politically correct story of the maharaja’s accession ignores a devastating parallel event. Just as Kashmir had a Hindu maharaja ruling over a Muslim majority, Junagadh had a Muslim nawab ruling over a Hindu majority. The Hindu maharaja acceded to India, and the Muslim nawab to Pakistan.
But while India claimed that the Kashmiri accession to India was sacred, it did not accept Junagadh’s accession to Pakistan. India sent troops into Junagadh, just as Pakistan sent troops into Kashmir. The difference was that Pakistan lacked the military means to intervene in Junagadh, while India was able to send troops into Srinagar. The Junagadh nawab fled to Pakistan, whereas the Kashmir maharaja sat tight. India’s double standard on Junagadh and Kashmir was breathtaking.
Do you think the people of Junagadh would have integrated with Pakistan after six decades of genuine Pakistani effort? No? Then can you really be confident that Kashmiris will stop demanding azaadi and integrate with India?
The British came to India uninvited. By contrast, Sheikh Abdullah, the most popular politician in Kashmir, supported accession to India subject to ratification by a plebiscite. But his heart lay in independence for Kashmir, and he soon began manoeuvering towards that end. He was jailed by Nehru, who then declared Kashmir’s accession was final and no longer required ratification by a plebiscite. The fact that Kashmir had a Muslim majority was held to be irrelevant, since India was a secular country empowering citizens through democracy.
Alas, democracy in Kashmir has been a farce for most of six decades. The rot began with Sheikh Abdullah in 1951: he rejected the nomination papers of almost all opponents, and so won 73 of the 75 seats unopposed! Nehru was complicit in this sabotage of democracy.
Subsequent state elections were also rigged in favour of leaders nominated by New Delhi. Only in 1977 was the first fair election held, and was won by the Sheikh. But he died after a few years, and rigging returned in the 1988 election. That sparked the separatist uprising which continues to gather strength today.
Many Indians point to long episodes of peace in the Valley and say the separatists are just a noisy minority. But the Raj also had long quiet periods between Gandhian agitations, which involved just a few lakhs of India’s 500 million people. One lakh people joined the Quit India movement of 1942, but 25 lakh others joined the British Indian army to fight for the Empire’s glory.
Blimps cited this as evidence that most Indians simply wanted jobs and a decent life. The Raj built the biggest railway and canal networks in the world. It said most Indians were satisfied with economic development, and that independence was demanded by a noisy minority. This is uncomfortably similar to the official Indian response to the Kashmiri demand for azaadi.
Let me not exaggerate. Indian rule in Kashmir is not classical colonialism. India has pumped vast sums into Kashmir, not extracted revenue as the Raj did. Kashmir was among the poorest states during the Raj, but now has the lowest poverty rate in India. It enjoys wide civil rights that the Raj never gave. Some elections — 1977, 1983 and 2002 — were perfectly fair.
India has sought integration with Kashmir, not colonial rule. But Kashmiris nevertheless demand azaadi. And ruling over those who resent it so strongly for so long is quasi-colonialism, regardless of our intentions.
We promised Kashmiris a plebiscite six decades ago. Let us hold one now, and give them three choices: independence, union with Pakistan, and union with India. Almost certainly the Valley will opt for independence. Jammu will opt to stay with India, and probably Ladakh too. Let Kashmiris decide the outcome, not the politicians and armies of India and Pakistan.

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It is this kind of journalism which drives me crazy .... Just to show their intellectuality these kind of journalist keep providing some stupid solutions ... y to have plebiscite now, when they have drove all Hindus out from valley ... Now if we start giving freedom to every state like tht then soon we will have other ppl demanding the same ...I really don't know y ppl write these kind of stupid articles ... Can't they see the Kashmiri pandits still living in slums despite being a millionaire in kashmir ... Can't they see how they were battered and thrown out of their own house without a single penny ... Can't they see how the soldiers suffer ... They just can see the plight of kashmiris ... Now these kashmiris need freedom??? They all r traitors there ... They want the freedom and I hope army gives them freedom from their life ...
 

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i posted the article not because i support the plebiscite but just because this article has lot of info about the history of kashmir & stuff
 


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the last part:

This is India’s century. We have the world to conquer — and the means to do it. Kashmir is a 20th century problem. We cannot let it drag us down and bleed us as we assume our rightful place in the world.



It’s time to think the unthinkable.


i have been thinking the same thing. if a part of our body is going to cause our death, we simply cut it off. the same is in this case. kashmir is using up our resources like anything. we are much better-off without them. they treat us like we are draining their resources. they are going to cry the moment they get their "so called freedom" & i'm waiting for that day
 

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Swami has been writing for over two decades now, and this is a brilliant piece of writing. Vir Sanghvi too has written a similar piece - Think the Unthinkable- Hindustan Times. And the idea seriously needs to be considered, along with its effect on India's security.

I'm a Swami fan too :thumbsup:

oh and hitman if it was anyone else i'd be less enthusisatic, this guy always take an interesting and more importantly unique look at problems and his articles are quite informative. Wish we had more writers (or is it op-eds) like that.
 

rachit_1804

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even arundhati roy
see the last sentence in bold

Kashmir needs freedom from India: Arundhati Roy
19 Aug 2008, 0147 hrs IST, Avijit Ghosh ,TNN


SRINAGAR: Activist and author Arundhati Roy, who was present at the massive Monday rally, said that the people of Kashmir have made themselves abundantly clear.

“And if no one is listening then it is because they don't want to hear. Because this is a referendum. People don't need anyone to represent them; they are representing themselves. As somebody who has followed people's movements and who has been in rallies and at the heart or the edge of things, I don't think you can dispute what you see here,” she told TOI .

Roy also said that “since the 1930s, there have been debates and disputes about who has the right to represent the Kashmiri people, whether it was Hari Singh or Sheikh Abdullah or someone else. And the debate continues till today whether it is the Hurriyat or some other party.”

Then she added, “But I think today the people have represented themselves.”

Roy concluded with words, “India needs azadi from Kashmir as much as Kashmir needs azadi from India.”

Kashmir needs freedom from India: Arundhati Roy-India-The Times of India

i saw on tv today, arun jaitley, BJP was severly criticizing roy for writing such things.
these stereotype leaders cannot ever think dynamically. but something to be noticed, this week all writers are suddenly writing about freedom of kashmir...