Airtel Broadband: A Money Fleecing Scheme

_Chairman_Saab_ said:

Any plan of Hayai to go nationwide?

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Yes. But please note my post above about not hijacking the thread. TY.

mgcarley said:

While your first line is correct, for the third I think maybe you are a bit misinformed - a pretty large percentage of the world's Internet is provided by ADSL, but, in the developed world they are (usually) of higher quality than what is found in India, removing the requirement for an "average user" to get a leased line.
"Business Class Internet" however is available in many countries (usually about 50-100% more than a residential line) but it's definitely not a leased line - a form of connectivity which is definitely *not* affordable due to the attached SLA and that you usually have to buy *a lot* for the provider to even consider providing you a connection.
Fibre (FTTH, FTTB) penetration worldwide is still very low even if there are a few nation states (Singapore, HK etc) that have very high fibre penetration and countries with excellent broadband deployments (mostly in Europe, Japan, SK) with decent amounts of FTTx around.
The difference between India and the rest of the developed world seems to be that in the developed world, bandwidth is considered a commodity whereas in India it's still considered a goldmine.

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I disagree. While ADSL commands a major share in US, it has equal competition from Cable. That alone is enough to drive ADSL service providers to ramp up the speeds.
Check the link below.Out of Top 10 service providers, 5 are on cable and 2 out of top 3 are on cable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_United_States#Leading_broadband_providers
Having said that, its a matter of policy as well. While countries in developed world(eg US again) have a Internet/Broadband policy to drive growth with specific targets, the developing world has other important issues to take care of first.

ASG11 said:

I disagree. While ADSL commands a major share in US, it has equal competition from Cable. That alone is enough to drive ADSL service providers to ramp up the speeds. Check the link below.Out of Top 10 service providers, 5 are on cable and 2 out of top 3 are on cable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_United_States#Leading_broadband_providers Having said that, its a matter of policy as well. While countries in developed world(eg US again) have a Internet/Broadband policy to drive growth with specific targets, the developing world has other important issues to take care of first.

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Despite what it might try to tell you, "the world" doesn't mean "the USA". The share in the US is about 55% cable 45% DSL (give or take) but this is not true almost anywhere else on the planet, where the statistics from last years Broadband World Forum said the share of ADSL is in the high 80s (percentage wise). Again, worldwide.Secondly, the situation in the US is pretty poor - I can pretty safely say that because I'm writing this post from the US.
Like in India, access to a given provider depends on where you live. If you live in AT&T territory, good luck getting Comcast. If you live in Time Warner territory, good luck getting Verizon. Etc. There are very few places where actual competition exists and so providers are absolutely *not* driven to increase their speeds. The DSL providers especially - for the most part - simply *CAN NOT* increase their speeds.
For some of those providers (*cough* AT&T), in most areas it's due to aging infrastructure which will only support a maximum of 6mbit/s. I've heard reports that they're just letting it die in some areas then ripping it out and not bothering to replace it, let alone upgrade it - not even to ADSL2+ - and forget about VDSL or better! Yes, AT&T does have it's VDSL U-verse product but it is *not* widely available and as a result, a significant percentage of it's customers are on sub 3mbit/s connections because that's all they can get.
Additionally, not all services are available in all markets. If you're in, say, Chicago, yes, Comcast might have a 105mbit/s plan for you (actually I think they go higher now) but if you live in some other smaller town, then maybe not.
IMO, broadbandmap.gov would be a better resource than Wikipedia to determine what the situation is like on the ground, even if it is not completely accurate.
And it's not exactly similar in Canada but it's not great either. I was there in July and observed that most of the DSL providers are Bell or Telus resellers (depending on which side of Canada you're on) but then it pretty much boils down to "what Bell says, goes".
I've said it before and I'll say it again: North America is a pretty poor yardstick to measure Internet services by, and an awful target to aim for.
It should also be noted that many countries outside of the developed world have broadband plans with specific targets - India included. I am personally highly critical of the NBP. The fact that, unlike many countries, the NBP is not enforced - which is a big problem. And, a lot of the thinking is wrong or illogical or the reverse of what it should be - which is also a big problem. But then based on what it does contain, it's really no different than any other piece of paper that's been through a government committee anywhere else in the world.

Last month Airtel charged me for twice for Airtel PC secure, and again this month they have charged me once, I told the customer case, I haven't been using Airtel PC Secure or their anti-virus, they still keep charging!!!
And like always 1 or 2 smartbytes charges, don't know who to blame for this, Airtel, or my mom, who innocently just clicks yes to anything that 'pop-up' on the PC screen.
In the end ISP's gain, we lose little by little.
Yes I did speak to the customer care at Airtel, she said, there is some technical issue at their end, and as me to call after 2hrs.

I have a friend who's 300km apart from me. he is also a customer of airtel, just like me. Can i share my dsl login id and password so that he can use my unused GBs. If yes, can we two use same login at same time.

mreccentric said:

I have a friend who's 300km apart from me. he is also a customer of airtel, just like me. Can i share my dsl login id and password so that he can use my unused GBs. If yes, can we two use same login at same time.

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No. Both for legal and for technical reasons.

mgcarley said:

No. Both for legal and for technical reasons.

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I know why you said no on legal grounds. But whats with technical reasons?

mreccentric said:

I know why you said no on legal grounds. But whats with technical reasons?

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In a properly set up DSL network, the UserID is tied to your port at the DSLAM, meaning your line and only your line can use your UserID even if someone else knows the password.
How properly set up Airtel is in your area I can't really say, but even then if it was setup wrong, then the access equipment may not recognize your credentials in his area - especially if you're in different telecom circles...

mgcarley> surprising Airtel is telling me that my modem could've been compromised from an external location 🙂 and that too at an hour when the office is closed and the modem is switched off (we run a Green company)....
Pls check this thread and let us have your observations.. Thanks
https://broadband.forum/topic/79655-a-15g-scam/