Is BSNL Sleeping?

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It is just a matter of time that foreign players will be allowed or will be interested in Indian scenario. Good for Metros and class A towns where they like to invest.
 
625 and 750 Plans to be Revised? So they got up finally after nine months of Kumkarn Nidra.
So fair cap on that? I am sure they would put a fair cap. They cant provide 1mbps unlimited for 750 If my Calculations are right.

According to me, They would provide 512kbps unlimited for 625 and May be 800kbps unlimited for 750.

And what about other city users? Only for Hyderabad ?
 
this is simply not enough to counter beam. There 1k 10mbps plan is the real killer...

Is it unlimited ? What is the FUP limit ?
 
Is it for only Hyderabad or all India? And what about high usage plans those who are shelling out 1500 or 2000+ a month? At least increase the FUP in those plans if not anything else and make it comparable to other ISPs. A 60-70 GB for a 1900 bucks plans would at least sound fair. Hope they improve the FUPs soon like other networks.



625 and 750 Plans to be Revised? So they got up finally after nine months of Kumkarn Nidra.
So fair cap on that? I am sure they would put a fair cap. They cant provide 1mbps unlimited for 750 If my Calculations are right.

According to me, They would provide 512kbps unlimited for 625 and May be 800kbps unlimited for 750.
 
bsnl VDSL strategy is a little skewed...as per my know how adsl and vdsl can't work together/face problems due to some characteristics. BSNL will have to completely change a DP box/cabinet and most importantly ALL cpe's to vdsl in a given area. GOD knows how they will do it ! But there is a strong possibility that they might completely change adsl to vdsl tech, it can only be known when contract with ZTE comes out in open.

VDSL gear is backwards compatible to ADSL2+ and ADSL, so customers could keep the same modem etc if they wish to stay on an ADSL service. If & when they decide to switch to VDSL, it's just a matter of switching the line profile to VDSL and giving the subscriber a new modem as the frequencies and channels are different.

It'll be interesting to see BSNL's VDSL plans if they do come to fruition because, considering that they are deploying FTTH, it seems like a counter-productive move on their part, as VDSL essentially uses the same topology as GPON (FTTH), and it's likely that cabinets will have to be in almost every housing society for the speeds/etc to be sufficiently high for it all to be worthwhile. The only thing VDSL allows is for the continued provision of PSTN lines which is part of the licensing requirement as of now - but, based on numbers from a few vendors I've seen, it comes at a HUGE cost per subscriber to do that - which to me is just another reason for the government to embrace VOIP!

Telecom NZ has been deploying VDSL in almost all cabinets nationwide since around 2008, but VDSL plans have only started coming out from ISPs since maybe June this year, the reason being that the local-loop is unbundled (shared by ALL providers, so switching is nice'n'easy) and Telecom wouldn't let anyone actually provide VDSL services until there was a large enough percentage of the population able to receive the same. Sadly VDSL is too expensive for most people there, and there are very few VDSL modems sold in NZ - the two models I've seen are about $250 and $400 respectively... that's significantly more expensive than my FTTH CPEs!

About BSNL ftth plan i think they are cautiously treading the path, they are definitely not going for entire country shock and awe plan. The size of their equipment tender specifies that.

BSNL has no money - I expect that this deal with ZTE is a "vendor financing" deal, whereby everything is still owned by ZTE. Huawei does this as well, which is one of the reasons both companies are seeing the growth they are at the moment (Huawei has tried to tempt me twice). But ZTE does a bunch of FTTH stuff, other than the aforementioned PSTN/VOIP issue, I am personally struggling to understand why BSNL is even bothering all of a sudden with VDSL - I'd not even heard anything about them even tendering for VDSL vendors until now (Oh no! I must be losing my ability to keep on top of what everyone is doing!)

Actually everyone is in a wait and watch strategy nowadays which includes airtel,reliance etc.:closedeyes:

I'm finding the same.

625 and 750 Plans to be Revised? So they got up finally after nine months of Kumkarn Nidra.
So fair cap on that? I am sure they would put a fair cap. They cant provide 1mbps unlimited for 750 If my Calculations are right.

According to me, They would provide 512kbps unlimited for 625 and May be 800kbps unlimited for 750.

I would expect the figures I have been quoting (Rs900/mbit/month) are well out of date by now, but if their balance sheets are anything to go by, they can't afford to provide much of anything - BSNL is somehow managing to lose many crores per day. They're a huge drain on government funds and the USOF and badly badly badly need restructuring - if they were a normal business they'd probably have to file for bankruptcy protection.

That being said, one can hope that by ignoring any kind of call for austerity and hopefully improving Broadband services, maybe the new MD can drag BSNL out of the red. Fingers crossed 🙂

this is simply not enough to counter beam. There 1k 10mbps plan is the real killer...

Except I understand that it still has a FUP and yada yada yada. The best thing about Beam customers nowadays is that the majority have had the chance to adjust to having high speeds, and as such, I'm guessing they don't hammer the network in the same way. Sure, they've got the ability to download over 1TB a month (even with the FUP, if I'm not mistaken), but they don't because people know that the speeds will still be there tomorrow and they can just get the content later and it only takes a few minutes and they don't have to leave it on overnight and such.

Beam has been fantastic in basically proving what I've been saying all along 🙂

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It is just a matter of time that foreign players will be allowed or will be interested in Indian scenario. Good for Metros and class A towns where they like to invest.

...err... most of the Telecom companies are owned partially by foreign interests. Airtel is actually over the FDI cap at the moment. YOU is owned by Citi. MTS is owned by the Russians. There's a group of Bulgarians trying to start something in Delhi.

I'm also foreign. 'nuff said? 🙂

And what about other city users? Only for Hyderabad ?

Is it unlimited ? What is the FUP limit ?

Is it for only Hyderabad or all India? And what about high usage plans those who are shelling out 1500 or 2000+ a month? At least increase the FUP in those plans if not anything else and make it comparable to other ISPs. A 60-70 GB for a 1900 bucks plans would at least sound fair. Hope they improve the FUPs soon like other networks.

To above 3 posts: WELCOME TO BEAM FIBER - Hyderabad vicinity only.
 


To above 3 posts: WELCOME TO BEAM FIBER - Hyderabad vicinity only.

Yes I know about Beam and it is another ISP I have been following closely along with Hayai ever since I heard of them 😛 But I was saying that will they make nationwide plan changes for the high end customers at least and increase the FUP to somewhat comparable limits at par with other ISPs. I agree that they are draining crores every day as is Indian Airlines etc. but these are due to inefficiency rather than due to market situations. If they let the market being captured by other companies as they have been doing in the last decade then they would never profit. That is the base of any business and they are not even competing and accepting defeat outright in a rapidly emerging market with a massive profit potential. If they had used their brains properly and worked effectively these government agencies such as BSNL and Governement Airlnes etc. would have captured half of India by now. I still remember that the first landline in our house as well as the first mobile phone I used was of BSNL. They were the major player in the market with better rates and good enough quality compared to others just a decade or two ago. But instead of making the best of it they have left their authoritative position and lost the whole market to private players. Similarly, if Air India (formerly Tata Airlines) would have remained with Tata then I can say that it would have made profit in hundreds of crores every months instead of incurring losses. Tata Group even made a massive loss incurring car brand like Jaguar LandRover an extremely profitable brand with 1.1 billion pounds profit in the last year. And the economy has far from recovered and Indian govt. agencies are not able to even make profit in such awesome markets where they can profit just by planning and executing their plans properly.
 
Yes I know about Beam and it is another ISP I have been following closely along with Hayai ever since I heard of them 😛 But I was saying that will they make nationwide plan changes for the high end customers at least and increase the FUP to somewhat comparable limits at par with other ISPs.

Sorry, I wasn't following. I assumed you were asking about Beam FUP limits etc.

I agree that they are draining crores every day as is Indian Airlines etc. but these are due to inefficiency rather than due to market situations. If they let the market being captured by other companies as they have been doing in the last decade then they would never profit. That is the base of any business and they are not even competing and accepting defeat outright in a rapidly emerging market with a massive profit potential. If they had used their brains properly and worked effectively these government agencies such as BSNL and Governement Airlnes etc. would have captured half of India by now. I still remember that the first landline in our house as well as the first mobile phone I used was of BSNL. They were the major player in the market with better rates and good enough quality compared to others just a decade or two ago. But instead of making the best of it they have left their authoritative position and lost the whole market to private players. Similarly, if Air India (formerly Tata Airlines) would have remained with Tata then I can say that it would have made profit in hundreds of crores every months instead of incurring losses. Tata Group even made a massive loss incurring car brand like Jaguar LandRover an extremely profitable brand with 1.1 billion pounds profit in the last year. And the economy has far from recovered and Indian govt. agencies are not able to even make profit in such awesome markets where they can profit just by planning and executing their plans properly.

...yeah. I have my own issues with AI (which has resulted in Hayai staff not being allowed to fly AI unless there is literally no alternative - even a chartered flight could be acceptable in some circumstances).

Tata made a loss because they made a huge purchase - this is different to what BSNL is doing which is losing copious amounts of money just by operating: Tata has a new asset (Jagular/Land Rover), BSNL doesn't really have anything to show for it's losses.
 
It is just a matter of time that foreign players will be allowed or will be interested in Indian scenario. Good for Metros and class A towns where they like to invest.

hope they come....but only one biggy Idea has plans to enter the space, no news of their deployment plans yet. Asking for foreign companies is a little too much at the moment.
 
Tata made a loss because they made a huge purchase - this is different to what BSNL is doing which is losing copious amounts of money just by operating: Tata has a new asset (Jagular/Land Rover), BSNL doesn't really have anything to show for it's losses.

I agree. I would also change the line to " losing copious amounts of money just by operating inefficiently". These govt. agencies had the major market share in each and every case but the never improved or tried to improve and let the private players move ahead. If they had managed to improve their services and compete with the private players they would have never incurred losses in the first place. But then that is why we Indian call them sarkari companies. 😛
 
Is it for only Hyderabad or all India? And what about high usage plans those who are shelling out 1500 or 2000+ a month? At least increase the FUP in those plans if not anything else and make it comparable to other ISPs. A 60-70 GB for a 1900 bucks plans would at least sound fair. Hope they improve the FUPs soon like other networks.
I have Never seen BSNL making plans for only one Circle or City. Apparently, it would be for the whole India.
 
Double the speeds? so for 625 ul theyll give 512 KBPS which is still lame compared to BEAM's 1mbps
What the Heck...!!
Only Andhra Pradesh is included in it...!!
What about Other states....!!....They (BSNL) dunno anything about whats going on in the Tech world i guess... 😕
 
What the Heck...!!
Only Andhra Pradesh is included in it...!!
What about Other states....!!....They (BSNL) dunno anything about whats going on in the Tech world i guess... 😕
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