Airtel violates net neutrality again with its broadband TV

1)they violated when they showed 2mbps ipl streaming while keeping other protocols unchanged2)they are violating as they are secretly throttling p2p from 9am-11pm @ 512kbps3)are are exempting broadband Tv from FUPThis isp is the has become the devil after selling its soul in 2009.2009 the year airtel died and FUKtel,CRAPtel,Shitel was bornIts even more saddening that no one has sued let alone alerted the media.admin you have a duty to alert medianama and other news websites.

Its even more saddening that no one has sued let alone alerted the media.


yup thats surprising that mags like chip or shows like gadgetguru techtoys never mention them. i guess their corporate connections r from airtel and the management ppl r busy kissing craptels ass.

Moreover they have Re-revised the Definition of broadband, giving 64 and 128kbps after Fup.

1)they violated when they showed 2mbps ipl streaming while keeping other protocols unchanged
2)they are violating as they are secretly throttling p2p from 9am-11pm @ 512kbps

3)are are exempting broadband Tv from FUP


This isp is the has become the devil after selling its soul in 2009.
2009 the year airtel died and FUKtel,CRAPtel,Shitel was born


Its even more saddening that no one has sued let alone alerted the media.

admin you have a duty to alert medianama and other news websites.

1. They did this in 2009 and 2010 as well. This does not violate Net Neutrality as this is rebroadcast from within Airtel's network for the purpose of it being available to watch by a wide audience. It's basically an IPTV broadcast, except that they wrapped it in a flash-player so that people could watch it on their PC's.
2. This does not violate Net Neutrality. This is known as "network management" and is practiced widely worldwide.
3. See #1.

Also, this is technically not internet bandwidth. This would be like our "Hayai Zone" whereby we have no restriction on speed within the network, yet your internet would only operate at 5mbit/s if you were on a 5mbit/s plan. It's also very much the same as ISPs like Fivenet who offer high-speed transfers within their own network for DC++ and so forth.

This is a benefit for Airtel customers and they have every right to do this. There's no "selling out" involved here. Seriously, stop bitching about non-issues and get your facts straight: there are a lot of things that Airtel does that I disagree with, but this is not one of them (well... #2 is a little bit - they could implement it better, but that's not really what I'm arguing about here).

Admin please ban mgcarly.He has no isp and supports 2 tier internet and you admin are guilty in colluding with him.If i was a mod i would have banned him from this forum.This forum is about customer discussions and not corporate propaganda.

here take a look at admins blog
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You need to be schooled about what isps are.they are nothing but pipes and are not supposed to interfere inside the pipes.You might think it is ok for us nazi corporations to block ,reduce,increase the speed of any content but this is a violation of net neutrality.


BAN MGCARLY

@warthog i have one q. is broadband tv available on internet? i mean for other isp's?

Admin please ban mgcarly.He has no isp and supports 2 tier internet and you admin are guilty in colluding with him.If i was a mod i would have banned him from this forum.This forum is about customer discussions and not corporate propaganda.


I speak as a customer, this has nothing to do with any "propaganda" you think I might be propagating - if I was an Airtel customer and I was interested in watching the IPL, then I'm pretty sure I'd see Airtel allowing me to watch the games over the internet as a benefit to being a subscriber of theirs.

I am not a supporter of a 2-tier Internet, however I am of the opinion that if something originates from within one network, it's speed should not be restricted to all clients in that network, which is not the same thing. To me it sounds like you're suggesting that Airtel should either:

1. Broadcast it at a lower resolution which would probably be unwatchable
2. Broadcast it at the original resolution and let it skip and buffer and be a miserable experience
3. Not broadcast the IPL to it's subscribers

You need to be schooled about what isps are.they are nothing but pipes and are not supposed to interfere inside the pipes.You might think it is ok for us nazi corporations to block ,reduce,increase the speed of any content but this is a violation of net neutrality.


Oh get real - ISPs are not just pipes. In reality, the Internet could be looked at in a similar way to the water supply. For example, I was living in South Mumbai in a building which was supposed to have 24 hour water - but I didn't get 24 hour water because, well, I guess some of the time it was gone by the time it got to me, so I still had to have a tank and buckets in one of my bathrooms just in case - but if it were possible to manage the water supply better, perhaps I would not have faced such a problem.

Bandwidth has to be managed so that the experience is as consistent as possible for all customers. If you want a "just pipes" experience, then go and lease yourself an MPLS. You'll have plenty of bandwidth, no FUP and nobody will be able to tell you what you can and cannot do with it.

I would like to see you when I come to India.

How can you speak as a customer when you are the founder of isp.Its like saying that airtel's head mittal coming to ibf and saying that i am a customer and support FUP.
I fear hayai will destroy internet as we know it in India.Net neutrality works both ways.

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Also your reply to my p2p throttling is dead wrong.NOt telling us and secretly throttling is liable under consumer protection act 1986.Dont force me to write this everytime.IN USA they dont throttle as comcast was sued.Someone should do this here.

1)they violated when they showed 2mbps ipl streaming while keeping other protocols unchanged
2)they are violating as they are secretly throttling p2p from 9am-11pm @ 512kbps

3)are are exempting broadband Tv from FUP


This isp is the has become the devil after selling its soul in 2009.
2009 the year airtel died and FUKtel,CRAPtel,Shitel was born


Its even more saddening that no one has sued let alone alerted the media.

admin you have a duty to alert medianama and other news websites.


AFAIK, only #2 would be a breach of Net neutrality.
#1 and #3 are just additional services provided by them(They did not restrict the other services, just added new ones)
btw, #1 and #3 have been present in airtel for quite a while in the form of Games On demand service

How can you speak as a customer when you are the founder of isp.Its like saying that airtel's head mittal coming to ibf and saying that i am a customer and support FUP.

So it's wrong of me to defend a company that is not my own for making a decision which should be seen as beneficial to their customers (free broadcasting of IPL)... sorry, but that doesn't make sense.

Tell me, what would you change?

I fear hayai will destroy internet as we know it in India.Net neutrality works both ways.

Of course Net Neutrality works both ways, but I'm interested to know how will Hayai destroy the Internet? Please, do tell.

Also your reply to my p2p throttling is dead wrong.NOt telling us and secretly throttling is liable under consumer protection act 1986.Dont force me to write this everytime.IN USA they dont throttle as comcast was sued.Someone should do this here.

Last time I checked, Indian and US laws were different and only applied in their own respective territories. Please point out which paragraphs of the consumer protection act of 1986 which this violates, keeping in mind that if you sign a contract with Airtel that allows them to perform network management, then this would be null and void.

Of course Net Neutrality works both ways, but I'm interested to know how will Hayai destroy the Internet? Please, do tell.



The 100mbps speeds will make the pipes very heavy and under pressure they will explode🙂

The 100mbps speeds will make the pipes very heavy and under pressure they will explode🙂

You mean 1,000mbit/s.

And if the pipes explode, well... everyone likes fireworks and pretty lights - we can say it's an early Diwali 😀

For the most part, we sell data. We don't care where it goes once it's off our network - it's still charged at the same rate. We couldn't possibly get any more neutral than that, and if Warthog begs to differ, I'd like to see how.

If we did like Rs1/GB for Facebook and Yahoo, Rs2/GB for MSN and Youtube, Rs5 for Vimeo... THAT would be bad for Network Neutrality, but that's not what we're doing, and in this case, nor is Airtel.

As for the CGA, there is no clause which prevents an ISP from restricting access on certain protocols: the act states in a nutshell that the product must perform as promised. The only speed guarantee that is given to anyone by an ISP is that it is going to be more than 256kbit/s to the ISP node. That's it. And they deliver on that promise - any DPI/throttling is done at the network's border and as such the CGA does not apply because the ISP is not guaranteeing you a given speed from your home to say, the USA.

And if you were buying an MPLS at however many lakhs/crores per year you get it for, the CGA again wouldn't apply because you wouldn't be a consumer - but their SLA would state that the speed has to be such and such from one point to another (for example, Mumbai to San Jose USA) - of course, after it leaves (for example Equinix at San Jose), it's anyones guess what speeds you'd get within the continental US or to London or where ever the traffic was eventually destined for... and then the CGA would apply even less because it would be AT&T/HE/Genuity/Verizon/NTT/Reach/PCH/Tata/etc/etc/etc transporting the data and in this case, you'd be contending with all the other data flowing out of that data center, and they wouldn't be liable because they would not have signed a contract with you.

@Warthog If you really want to file a lawsuit against Airtel, maybe you should give it a go - I'd support you if you had a solid case.

^^My statement was meant as a joke

^^My statement was meant as a joke

I understand, that's why I said about it being an early Diwali 🙂

Guys chill.Matt, don't bother with these kiddies. There are people who still have faith in you.Sushubh plz lock this thread. Too much of flaming.