NIXI root cause for implementation of <<<***FUP***>>> by all major Indian ISP's

AS OF DATE ALL MAJOR INDIAN ISP'S ARE MEMBERS OF NIXI Home: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India which facilitates data transfer of Indian ISP's on National level for which they are charging ISP's port charges & Rs.25 per GB as settlement charges between ISP's instead of each ISP routing there traffic to international gateways hence reducing the latency times for inter data transfers between ISP's.

To conclude therefore ISP's like Airtel,Tata Indicom etc. have Fair Usage Policy inplace in order to protect there broadband revenues which are bleeding away thru use of torrents where ISP 'A' is loosing money to another ISP 'B' in way of settlement charges payable thru NIXI.

For more detailed explanation enclosing below the NIXI Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10

Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India

AS OF DATE ALL MAJOR INDIAN ISP'S ARE MEMBERS OF NIXI Home: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India which facilitates data transfer of Indian ISP's on National level for which they are charging ISP's port charges & Rs.25 per GB as settlement charges between ISP's instead of each ISP routing there traffic to international gateways hence reducing the latency times for inter data transfers between ISP's.

To conclude therefore ISP's like Airtel,Tata Indicom etc. have Fair Usage Policy inplace in order to protect there broadband revenues which are bleeding away thru use of torrents where ISP 'A' is loosing money to another ISP 'B' in way of settlement charges payable thru NIXI.

For more detailed explanation enclosing below the NIXI Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10

Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India

How come NIXI is responsible for FUP then?

NIXI has some set of guiding principles to give fair opportunity to smaller ISPs and giving fair compensation to larger ISPs who have invested in large infrastructure.Some settlement rate has to be there.This rate which was earlier 25/GB currently some 17 and soon going to be 10/GB is governed by global techno-economical factors.

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moreover FUP in India was an Industry response to TRAI's QoS guidelines

AS OF DATE ALL MAJOR INDIAN ISP'S ARE MEMBERS OF NIXI Home: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India which facilitates data transfer of Indian ISP's on National level for which they are charging ISP's port charges & Rs.25 per GB as settlement charges between ISP's instead of each ISP routing there traffic to international gateways hence reducing the latency times for inter data transfers between ISP's.

To conclude therefore ISP's like Airtel,Tata Indicom etc. have Fair Usage Policy inplace in order to protect there broadband revenues which are bleeding away thru use of torrents where ISP 'A' is loosing money to another ISP 'B' in way of settlement charges payable thru NIXI.

For more detailed explanation enclosing below the NIXI Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10

Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.10: NIXI - National Internet Exchange of India

You're forgetting that for every GB of traffic in the other direction, Rs25 is subtracted. For the large ISPs, the traffic balance is nearly equal, so the tariffs are small. But for smaller ISPs, the traffic levels are 2:1, 3:1 or worse, which can be financially difficult to swallow.

The situation needs to be more like that of IX points abroad, where traffic is not charged, the ports are of decent size (either 1,000 or 10,000mbit/s - none of this 10mbit/s or 100mbit/s stuff should be there anymore), and the rates are reasonable.

How come NIXI is responsible for FUP then?

NIXI has some set of guiding principles to give fair opportunity to smaller ISPs and giving fair compensation to larger ISPs who have invested in large infrastructure.Some settlement rate has to be there.This rate which was earlier 25/GB currently some 17 and soon going to be 10/GB is governed by global techno-economical factors.

moreover FUP in India was an Industry response to TRAI's QoS guidelines

1. Peering at NIXI screws smaller ISPs because of the reasons stated above.
2. Peering actually costs next to nothing.
3. NO OTHER IX ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD CHARGES PER GB, so what is this about a settlement rate having to be there?
4. While the rates are going down, none of this is dictated by global factors - I buy my International bandwidth for far cheaper than I can peer at NIXI... because of this, it's cheaper for me to route traffic via Equinix in Singapore than it is to route via NIXI - unless I'm sending as much traffic as I'm receiving, and there are many ISPs that are not in that position yet. It is nice to see that 10Gbit/s ports were finally introduced at surprisingly reasonable prices, but those per GB charges should still be removed if ISPs in India want to even think of competing with those abroad.

What happened to the plans to create an alternative internet exchange in India?

What happened to the plans to create an alternative internet exchange in India?

Not sure. We're going to do it internally.

So why don't smaller ISPs go and complain in bodies like competition commision-cci, courts etc...If they sit back noting will happen.

Not sure. We're going to do it internally.

@mgcarley

you concepts regarding this one are again wrong.Let me clarify the situation.

The simple concept is , the one who requests, has to pay and no one has problem with that.varna ab tak hungama ho gaya hota 🙂
Are you of the opinion that even when there is no download request from smaller ISP , then also heavy traffic inflow occurs towards smaller ISP?

And the port charges which you consider cheap for a 10 Gbps, this port is just for BGP query.You have to separately peer with ISP of your choice for actual data transfer .

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believe me , even 100 Mbps for BGP is A LOT

@mgcarley

you concepts regarding this one are again wrong.Let me clarify the situation.

The simple concept is , the one who requests, has to pay and no one has problem with that.varna ab tak hungama ho gaya hota 🙂
Are you of the opinion that even when there is no download request from smaller ISP , then also heavy traffic inflow occurs towards smaller ISP?

And the port charges which you consider cheap for a 10 Gbps, this port is just for BGP query.You have to separately peer with ISP of your choice for actual data transfer .-----

believe me , even 100 Mbps for BGP is A LOT

Clearly you have no idea how an IXP works, but, if you say so, sure, I'll believe you over the people who are actually working in the industry if that's what you want to hear, oh wise IITan.

this is the problem you dont want to learn...i just wanted to help you ..if you are not interested then fine..i doubt you have ever visited any node of NIXI leave that industry thing it is evident from your talks how much you know 🙂

this is the problem you dont want to learn...i just wanted to help you ..if you are not interested then fine..i doubt you have ever visited any node of NIXI leave that industry thing it is evident from your talks how much you know 🙂

Actually, I'm brushing you off because you are completely wrong and do not know how any of this stuff works, nor do you even get the point of an IXP, which in fact is designed to remove the necessity for peering directly with each individual ISP.

If you still wish to argue the toss, I'm more than happy to get some technical people (not just my own technical people but technical people from ISPs you so admire, including but not limited to BSNL) who actually do this for a living to back me up and assert that I'm not as full of sh*t as you think I am.

The simple truth of the matter is, your knowledge in every aspect of this business is severely lacking, and although I'm not perfect myself, I can at least back up everything that I say with documentation or confirmation from a colleague or counterpart in the industry.

Actually, I'm brushing you off because you are completely wrong and do not know how any of this stuff works, nor do you even get the point of an IXP, which in fact is designed to remove the necessity for peering directly with each individual ISP.


If you have slightest plan to connect your virtual ISP to NIXI, I will suggest you to go through the terms once again.Because I have spent many weeks in NIXI itself.

If you still wish to argue the toss, I'm more than happy to get some technical people (not just my own technical people but technical people from ISPs you so admire, including but not limited to BSNL) who actually do this for a living to back me up and assert that I'm not as full of sh*t as you think I am.


oh now you are not a technical person?

The simple truth of the matter is, your knowledge in every aspect of this business is severely lacking, and although I'm not perfect myself, I can at least back up everything that I say with documentation or confirmation from a colleague or counterpart in the industry.

I can see how much you and your industry fellow (if they exist) know,
1.You need an ISP License for creating a data centre.Really?
2.You suggested me that I can create a city level LAN without any ISP License.I would like to help clear your concepts regarding this too, if you like
Section 4 of Indian Telegraph Act gives exclusive privileges to install and operate any telegraph in India to central government.No One else can operate any type of telegraph[including any type of computer network] in India without an explicit license from govt. of India.
Never try to do it otherwise DoT is coming behind your Arses.
3.You think IP-1 license is the one which is needed to create a LAN.It would be better if you read it once again.It is for those who want to invest in civil works by creating tower,dark fiber etc and then wish to rent it to an ISP/Auth Telcos.THis license was specially created when Indian policy makers thought that it would be better for Indian Telcos to share infrastructure.
4.You dont even know that NIXI's port charges are just for BGP query.Hope Point Number 4 of Basic Routing Policy in Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.11 helps you in your business.

Come out of your virtual world .This godly attitude wont let you learn new things.I could consider talking technical things with You but you don't even know the basics of ISP business.You simple waste my time

If you have slightest plan to connect your virtual ISP to NIXI, I will suggest you to go through the terms once again.Because I have spent many weeks in NIXI itself.

Sure you have.

oh now you are not a technical person?

You don't seem to believe anything *I* have to say.

I can see how much you and your industry fellow (if they exist) know,
1.You need an ISP License for creating a data centre.Really?
2.You suggested me that I can create a city level LAN without any ISP License.I would like to help clear your concepts regarding this too, if you like
Section 4 of Indian Telegraph Act gives exclusive privileges to install and operate any telegraph in India to central government.No One else can operate any type of telegraph[including any type of computer network] in India without an explicit license from govt. of India.
Never try to do it otherwise DoT is coming behind your Arses.
3.You think IP-1 license is the one which is needed to create a LAN.It would be better if you read it once again.It is for those who want to invest in civil works by creating tower,dark fiber etc and then wish to rent it to an ISP/Auth Telcos.
4.You dont even know that NIXI's port charges are just for BGP query.Hope Point Number 4 of Basic Routing Policy in Routing and Tariff Policy Ver.1.11 helps you in your business.

1. No you don't. You need one to peer as in peering. You have been mixing up terminology claiming that they are one and the same when they are not, now you are trying to fault me for your mistakes.
2. You can create a network without an ISP license. How do you think cable operators operate?
3. It gives you the right to build and maintain the network. Cable operators distribute services on behalf of licensed ISPs which is why they themselves do not require licenses.
4. I know NIXI's policies, but you don't know the difference between BGP and network traffic. One does not need any specific port speed to advertise BGP routes, one needs a specific port speed to transfer data. That is what is being charged for.

I have read all of the documentation, and have had it interpreted by professionals so that it is understood not only by me but the people I have to explain this stuff to in order for them to support my venture. My suggestion to you is to please get your facts straight or bugger off.

Come out of your virtual world .This godly attitude wont let you learn new things.I could consider talking technical things with You but you don't even know the basics of ISP business.You simple waste my time

Why would I want to learn things that are wrong? Why am I even arguing with someone who doesn't even grasp the fundamentals of what we're doing here? Seriously, get your head out of your ass and come back when you've got some knowledge worth imparting.

Sure you have.



You don't seem to believe anything *I* have to say.



1. No you don't. You need one to peer as in peering. You have been mixing up terminology claiming that they are one and the same when they are not, now you are trying to fault me for your mistakes.
2. You can create a network without an ISP license. How do you think cable operators operate?
3. It gives you the right to build and maintain the network. Cable operators distribute services on behalf of licensed ISPs which is why they themselves do not require licenses.
4. I know NIXI's policies, but you don't know the difference between BGP and network traffic. One does not need any specific port speed to advertise BGP routes, one needs a specific port speed to transfer data. That is what is being charged for.

I have read all of the documentation, and have had it interpreted by professionals so that it is understood not only by me but the people I have to explain this stuff to in order for them to support my venture. My suggestion to you is to please get your facts straight or bugger off.



Why would I want to learn things that are wrong? Why am I even arguing with someone who doesn't even grasp the fundamentals of what we're doing here? Seriously, get your head out of your ass and come back when you've got some knowledge worth imparting.

I wish you all the best for your future

who is speaking the truth ? we need an expert and a tribunal now to settle disputes ...

this is largely the reason i cannot take any sides 😀i can just sit idle and wait for hayai and fibernet to launch something 😀